Lets Assume... (Basic SEO Question)

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by silverion, Nov 14, 2009.

  1. #1
    Hello,

    I am planning on hiring a SEO expert or company to get my brand new site to the first page and top 3 positions on google for a number of keywords. However, this is my first time working with SEO for marketing purposes and I am not really sure how long can it take so I think it is a good idea to ask the experts.

    So my question is, In you experience how much time would it take a brand new site to make it to Google's front page and Top 3 results for keywords that average 4-5 million results on Google and have traffic levels of 5k - 10k -15k - 20k respectively

    Basically, what I want to know is how much would it take a new site to get first, to Google's first page and then to the top 3 results for 4 different keywords (all with average search results of 4-5 million) but with different traffic levels. I am looking for 8 answers: how much time (in your experience) would it take a site to make it to Google's first page for 4 different keywords with 4 different traffic levels (4 answers) and how much time would it take for that same site to make it to the top 3 results for those same keywords (4 more answers)

    This is for me to have an idea of how much I would have to wait to see the results. Thanks in advance
     
    silverion, Nov 14, 2009 IP
  2. darshan1994

    darshan1994 Peon

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    tbh with you if you have powerful backlinks and keywords related to where you want you rank, google will automaticaly start increasing your page rank. In time it depends really, if you have no good backlinks and keywords are rubbish then ranking 1st on 5mill is a dream (dreams can be possible) however with backlinks from PR5+ website(not bookmarkers) you can probably do it in less then few months or even less.
     
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  3. simpseo

    simpseo Active Member

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    #3
    It's really difficult to answer this question, because the number of search results is not a reliable indicator of competition (at best I use this as a very approximate guide).

    To assess the competition, it's worth doing an analysis of the top 10 results - how many backlinks do they have, what type of backlinks are they, do they have optimised page titles and relevant on-page content, etc. etc.?

    Also, it depends on how good the person you employ is, the type of backlinks they obtain for you and the quality of your on-page SEO.

    As a complete stab in the dark, I'd be looking to see some results within 3 - 6 months but again this is only a guess because you don't mention the keywords you are looking to rank for and the traffic levels of those keywords don't give a clear indication of their difficulty.
     
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  4. shakuri1987

    shakuri1987 Greenhorn

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    It depends on the keywords. It also depends on what techniques are used in the SEO process. Most "SEO's" will use familiar techniques such as links for high PR sites, however there are more up to date techniques than this.

    If you would like I can give you a quote, please PM me
     
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  5. VnmisPoisn

    VnmisPoisn Greenhorn

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    You didn't give the keywords or the site so it's hard to give you an estimated time frame for results. However, I agree with simpseo. You have to have both "onpage" and "offpage" optimization, so without actually knowing the domain, seeing the site, knowing the keywords, or knowing the competition, it's really hard to say, but most "good, white hat" seo companies can have you ranking well within a couple of months. I've been doing seo for about 7 years and in my experience, 95% of the time it's only a couple months to rank well unless you have an extremely competitive term like "music" or "download" or something like that. Also, if you are looking for cheap seo, remember, you get what you pay for and if you happen to hire a company that does black hat seo, you WILL get banned, it's just a matter of time. If you would like an analysis of your site, pm me and I will, at no charge, tell you what you need and then you can make an educated decision.
     
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  6. silverion

    silverion Active Member

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    Thanks for the replies guys. If anyone else has any input to make, please go ahead.
     
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  7. HomeComputerGames

    HomeComputerGames Peon

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    AS mentioned it depends on your competition and what the people that you hire do.
    Are the sites showing up in the top 10 there because they tried to be there or are they there because Google chose them since nothing better existed?

    One example of one of my keywords with over 200 million returns was about a year to make the grade.
    And a good phrase of equal magnitude that I was not trying for took 2 months.

    So if you go by that second example then 2 months ;)
     
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  8. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    Most new sites targeting competitive two word terms, and that are commercial in nature, will take 6 to 9 months to begin to see results, some terms could take over a year of consistent work.

    Traffic levels would depend on niche being targeted.

    Hope it helps! :)
     
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  9. squidbillieseo

    squidbillieseo Peon

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    Okay, to be completely honest with you, you have provided absolutely no information to to give us an idea on how competitive these keywords are. Also we know nothing about your site except that it is new. We don't know what niche you are trying to break into and who your competitors are.

    This is why no SEO worth their salt can give you an answer to this question. What you are asking for is a competitive analysis, but you are telling us nothing about the competitors. By saying the keywords you are targeting have 5 million results tells us absolutely nothing. there are keyword phrases with 100,000 results that are extremely difficult (if not impossible) to rank for and on the other hand there are results with 10,000,000 which can be easily taken over.

    Also you have stated that you would like a timeline on how much time it will take you to reach X amount of traffic. Again this is difficult since we know absolutely nothing about your niche. Also a very important factor is how much money are you spending on this campaign.

    Please re ask your questions providing the above details that I just stated and it would be possible for someone to give you a straight answer. If you need to keep this info confidential then it would be best to ask the SEO company that you are going to be dealing with to give you that timeline
     
    squidbillieseo, Nov 14, 2009 IP
  10. squidbillieseo

    squidbillieseo Peon

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    Very good comment!!
     
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  11. stuart.letterman

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    it's very hard to tell with the basic information you gave but I'd say you'll need a lot of money and possibly the best part of a year to even make a dent on keywords that specific.

    You can't rank in the top 3 places for a keyword unless you have 2-3 sites too by the way, you may get a double listing if your site is significant enough for the keyword.
     
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  12. silverion

    silverion Active Member

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    Ok. Sorry about the lack of information. I am looking to rank in the top 3 results for the next 3 keywords:

    teeth whiteners
    tooth whitener
    teeth whitening products

    If I gave so little information before it was because I had the impression there was an average degree of difficulty for keywords with the given stats and it wouldn't be so hard to give me an answer based on that information, although after reading squidbillieseo first post I noticed I was mistaken about that. As for my url, I would prefer to keep that to myself for the moment but I can tell you that it is one of those keywords (as in teethwhiteners.com or toothwhitener.com but with a different TLD)

    Also, I was not requesting a timeline to determine how long it would take me to reach "x" amount of traffic. What I would like is a timeframe to determine how much time I would need to wait before my site could be ranking on the top 3 results for keywords in the teeth whitening niche but with different (exisiting) traffic levels on Google.

    P.S. Thanks for your post squidbillieseo
     
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  13. stuart.letterman

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    My that's a tough niche to crack the top 100 results in Google seems optimized for teeth whitening terms.

    The top site in Google has 125,000 backlinks according to Yahoo so they probably have triple that in reality :eek:

    You need a lot of good contact or a crap load of money to make it big in that niche I'm afriad
     
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  14. VnmisPoisn

    VnmisPoisn Greenhorn

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    oops. took to long to post and it was already said. didn't want to say it again. lol
     
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  15. kotaro

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    your website must be very good in quality for the visitors. thus, they will promote your link somewhere else. don't pay for paid links as it is against ToS
     
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    There is a very easy answer to this question, get a budget together and invite a number of digital marketing agencies to pitch for your business. You'll have a great idea after that if it's the right thing to do to take your business forward.
     
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  17. silverion

    silverion Active Member

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    I already have a budget but I would appreciate it if you could be more specific regarding a number
     
    silverion, Nov 16, 2009 IP
  18. Sem-Advance

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    At a minimum $500.00 per month, though $1,000.00 may be more realistic, depends on how well link building goes and methods used.

    Time frame with a new site 6 to 9 months to start to see measurable results.

    9 months to 13+ months to see upper results on all three search engines.

    The more commercial the term the higher end limits of the above would apply.

    There are also exceptions to the rules of course so mileage may vary....
     
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  19. selectsplat

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    I thin this is a pretty fair estimate. It's going to take a long time to build up enough quality backlinks to get on the homepage for those phrases. and you're going to need every technique in the book. You'll also need a very heavy dose of text link advertising on high quality, very relevant sites with strong pagerank.
     
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  20. S_A_W

    S_A_W Active Member

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    I agree with Sem-Advance except for the budget, you will only get an ok overseas firm for $500 a month and they will get you mostly spammy links and my guess is you will get stuck on page 4 or 5. A good SEO company will charge you in the range of $1,500-$2,000 for such competitive keywords - time-frame seems about right.
     
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