dude! if you check her profile links they are like PR3-PR4....I think she did some link building for her profiles too. That's why she is ranked so high for her name.
She ranks there because she has tons of PR5, PR4, and PR3 backlinks to that page. But that's not what she's selling you. She's selling you places where you can get a PR0 backlink. And PR0 backlinks are practically worthless.
Disregard that. Its false. he is mistaken. A page does not have to have a 1 rank to have PR juice flowing through it. Pagerank tools show only whole numbers. So you in theory could get 10 backlinks that all show zero and actually have PR juice of 2/3 flowing to your site because of the fractional juice flowing to your site from all ten links. In short claiming it has no benefit at all is nonsense.
I'm pretty sure her method works pretty good. I didn't work her article wouldn't be in the second position for the term backlinks fighting against 10,400,000. I'm a proud subscriber of her packages and it has helped me a lot. since I started applying her techniques I'm ranking high in the first page of google for many major keywords. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT. GOOGLE WON'T INDEX ALL THE LINKS AT ONCE!
then I figure you don't do it for a living then because I have come across multiple experts that would never say a dofollow backlink is worthless Utter rubbish. Not even possible. If a site has ZERO backlinks it couldn't be found by the search bot. NO? then please explain how Google would have found the site to crawl to it to begin with? This isn't rocket science. Google has spelled this out pretty clearly. PR flows within a site and across sites. It is divided and degrades as it passes through various links. Whenever there is degradationa and division in an algorythm there is INEVITABLY a derived fraction at some point. So if you have a PR 9 site and you place a link anywhee on that site the chances are SIGNIFICANT that the link will have PR juice running through it even if it is not enough to derive anything but a fraction. Now if the ordinary person clould get links directly on the front page on say Adobe then you would have a point. But mostly thats not going to happen so the next best is to get on an interior page. Again utter nonsense. Depends entirely on how many links are on that PR1 page. Truth is even if there are only two links you know how much PR will flow to your site using your erroneous understanding? ZERO Thats right because the PR1 juice is divided and then degrades so you get only a fraction of the PR1 whichif thats all there was would give you a PR 0 on your page. Now do you understand? Its the aggregate of the total amount of backlinks that can convey significant benefit. So i f Angela or any of the backlink package sellers claimed tht you got PR9 juice from a link on ainterior page you would have a point. OR if Pr flowed only in whole numbers and a zero was an actual zero then you could stand by your claim that it has zero benefit. One thing I have found in SEO is that you can never say for most things that a certain backlink or factor has zero benefit. Whoever states that either works for Googe in their search engine division or is infating their own expertise.
Ok, I'll try to have patience with you, as you're obviously new to this. Backlinks from sites that have no PR and no significan't traffic are utterly useless. They don't provide you with any traffic, and they don't provide you with any link juice at all. If you submit your site directly to Google, then you will be indexed. And if you use on page optimization to optimize for the keyphrase 'qerklthksdfjhtkaergf', then I guarantee you the number on spot in Google for that SERP, without a single backlink. Simple math. Not even close. There are a lot of other things to consider. First of all internal PR is degraded at a much greater rate than external PR. That means that if your link in one or two clicks form the homepage, then you might have a shot at getting some trickle down PR. But further than that and you can forget it. Check for yourself. Check the top 100 results from only profile pages for any of the sites Angela provides in her packet, and see how many of them have PR. It won't be very many, I promise you. If you don't know how to do that, send me a PM and I'll show you a few neat tricks. Profile pages that do not use the no follow tag are only very rarely assigned PR on their own. If YOU build backlinks to them, THEN they can become a resource for you. Otherwise, their useless. If you think that each profile page has a fraction of PR assigned to it, and that it might pass a fraction of PR down to you, you're sorely mistaken. If that were true then ever SPAM king in the universe would already own the first page of every significant SERP on Google. Not if that page you're getting a link on has no PR and no traffic. Well that's true Hmmn, there seesm to be a bit of a problem with you math. 1/2 = 0? of course it's only a fraction. But that fraction is MILES better than what you get from a PR 0 page with no traffic. That's right, so if you get 1000 backlinks from angela's links that are all PR0, you get 1000 x 0. As I've said, hundreds of SEO enthusiasts and professionals put this theory to the test TWO YEARS ago. You might have just come across this, but the theory was disproven long ago.
Sophmoric try at a put down. Being new to DP does not equal to being new to SEO. I've operated multiple websites and been at this game for years. and how do you do that without providing the URl to the site? Sheesh at least try and keep up. thats a backlink submitted straight to google not the lack of one. Nice try at a duck. In no compettitve keyword result are you going to submit a site direcly to Google and be ranked number one with a new domain and zero backlinks. Utter foolishness. When you are ready to put your money where your mouth is tell me and I will tell you the keywords and you can rank number one for it on Google by submitting it direct to google. Really don't make it so easy to be shown up in a debate. Good so with explanation you can grasp the basics. Rubbish. You are just pretending to know the precise algorythm that google uses in degradation. Google does not share that with anyone and no tool can give you the PR of a site in less than whole numbers. You are like alot of wanna be gurus. Claiming things that are impossible for you to know and in the process exposing yourself to being a neophyte. Like it or not Angela has scores of people that state the links worked for them as well. They even have forums (like Warriors) where people have done nothing to their sites except add the links for the sole purpose of eexperimenting with the links and they've done it publicly and allowed people to follow along. Have multiple times. I can check yours for you too as well and give you some pointers. try and stay on the point. No one denied that many of the sites show a PR 0 . Now once again show me the tool that shows PR in fractions. Rhetoric as to them being useless. You have yet to prove that or even suggest a fact that shows that PR degrades to zero within two links on a site. Its all fluff and fluster but facts? Nowhere. You can't show it because Google has that algorythn under lock and key and anyone who knows anything about SEO (not those you hope to prey on) knows this. actually its possible that some are negligible or non existent. I won't fall into you error and claim a 100% certainty on every link. What I do know is two things A) anyone that knows anything about Angela's links knows that she didn't just use profile pages. The silliness of your article on this is that you seem oblivious that she has actually used blog commenting. You point to high PR pages that she gets links from as if she's lying by having them when its what the links used to be but spammers pushed her from it. B) backlink packages have been tested and have been proven by multiple people to work. They are not the only thing to factor into the results but they play a part Don't be silly. I am not going to swing to your opposite extreme. My knowledge of SEO is more grounded than your own to think in terms of absolutes. I'm not saying that backlinks are all that matter and Google looks at nothing else. On page SEO and relevancy is extremely important. However if you have never seen a less relevant page rank higher than it should because of backlinks you are even more of a pretender than I thought No. Just a problem with your reading comprehension when I said using your logic it would be zero. in my scenario it would equal a fraction. Argument since I've laid out pretty clearly how Pr Juice flows and that your asessment that zero means absolutely zero is nonsense. Heres a tip. Do better research before you accuse people of fraud. In fact do better research and your articles won't be so poor. You assume too much and don't know enough about what you are critiquing. think I can't expose your lack of knowledge on this subject more? I'm just getting started where your assumptions are wrong. You pretend as if everyone uses profile linking the same way or that profile linking is the same from site to site. You are locked into a box not understanding how sites are evolving simple because you want to convince people they need to BUY links from you (as if google doesn't have issues with people buying links).
That wasn't a put down, it was an observation. Your naivety leads me to that conclusion. Umm, no. A url submitted to Google is not a backlink, lol. If you don't know what a backlink is, you should quit now. Aww, that's cute. You get confused easily. That's ok, I'll go slow for you. See, I said... And then you said... And then I provided a means by which you could. And then apparently you forgot what we were talking about. Please take your time when you read posts, and try to comprehend them before spouting off. No one said you could take *any* keyword. I specifically said a non-competitive key phrase. Actually, it's a pretty popular theory amoung SEO enthusiasts and professionals. Perhaps you've heard of it, it's called the 'Dampening Factor'. You can read more about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank Well, for one, URL Trends provides an estimate of the amount of linkuice each link passes. But I suspect that they would show that a link passes 0 linkuice on a page that has a PR0. There are a few other tools out there that give an approximate pagerank based on the quantity and quality of your backlinks, but I'd have to dig around to find them. She specifically said that she only used links on pages that showed PR0 in the Google toolbar to get her high ranking for the compeditive term 'backlinks'. But that wasn't true. She had multiple links from pages with high pagerank, they just didn't show up until Google updated the backlinks they show with the 'link' command. As you say, there are many factors. On page optimization not the least of which might have helped those pages move up in SERPs. Sure, that happens all the time. But not due to backlinks from PR0 pages. Your assumption that just because a page is on a domain with a good pagerank it gives at least a fraction of pagerank to every page on the domain is completely naive. By that logic, every page on blogspot has some pagerank to pass. That simply isn't true. I've never assumed that. I've stated from the start that if you actively promoted each of the profiles, they can have value. But with no backlinks, no traffic, and no PR, those profile pages provide no SEO benefit. I know of a few people that do actively promote several of their profile pages (etc.), and I do think the receive benefit from it. Actually, Google's real beef is with people selling links, not buying them, but we can discuss that in another thread if you want.
Rather than go back and forth endlessly I will dispense with you quickly and mercifully. 1. I'll have to break it down to its simplest for you. When A bot encounters a link it submits that site into the searche engines database. When you submit a site directly to google you are submitting the link as well. Its the same result. An indexing starts with a link - EVERY TIME. You can spin, do the macarena You will never get a site indexed without a link and all a backlink is is a link. You can argue semantics until you drop. You have no clue. A link is ALWAYS required. Submitting to tgoogle is not an exception its a specific example of the same process. 2. If you knew aything about modern Profile linking in backlink packages you would know that forums are a part of it. thats right. Despite all your nonsense you are using one of the features that is used in many a profile backlink including your signature. totally worthless to you right? thats why you have set up profile info on more than one forum. Gee wonder how I know what backlinks you have used? Now go ahead and tell me forums aren't a a part of profile linking strtategy . I need a good laugh. 3. You don't need to promote and backlink to your profile IF you particpate on many of the sites that offer profile. If you knew anything you would know that on some sites the forum site carries SIGNIFICANT PR and you can get your Profile page one or two hops away from that by participation. are the facts sinking in yet? 4) If you took a look you would realize that like all technology profiles are evolving. they offer about me sections, blogs. groups and article writing. You are caught in some flintstone mentality. On some of the profile links I use you can get your article on the front page! Didn't I warn you I would school you on your assumptions> Did you listen? Nope. 5) Yes I assumed you were trying to make a meaningful point. Getting ranked for a perfectly worthless no competition niche is a nonsense point. I guarantee you can get ranked number one for a myriad of keywords no one uses. Even by accident. Even though you can't crack the first page for your niche's own main keywords even your site might rank for something. My apologies. I assume your point had some meaning. I won't make the mistake again. 6) Get a clue. No matter what Angela said or you read into what she said she's never denied that she used blog commenting. How could she when her list that she released had them. Your charges of fraud are as bogus as your alleged SEO credentials. Commenting will often get you on a post page that is linked to and gets added PR. Oh but wait. Angela's links were disporven two years ago right? What a joke your arguments are. I mean really. quite funny. 7) buying links like from your site is much more likely to be frowned on by Google than leaving a profile link on a site where you participate. You'll deny it because it would hurt your business (and your hatred of Angela's links are for the same reason) so heres the evidence http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/text-links-and-pagerank/ http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66356 I give you high marks for nerve. You call somebody a fraud because they use links they said they would use and they happen to have pagerank even while you are promoting the buying of links that could get your customers under the Google radar. We don't need to discuss it in another thread. You have no credibility over Google's own documents. I have no time to waste .
Angela has managed to rank two websites, lets be more exact a website and a goarticles.com article for two solid keywords that aren't that easy to rank for. Seemingly enough that's what she's done, added links to various profiles and there she is ranked for 2 solid keywords. Anyone could find out the exact links that gave her such great SERP's. (That if you are a bit inventive to look for her username, search for backlinks of her sites with various tools and such. If she's still offering this service good for her, there's nothing wrong with that, but really anyone can rank a website a bit of hard work and great incoming links. Al.
I think you've made a few interesting points. But you've made some poor ones as well. Let's stop insulting one another, and have a real discussion getting to the meat of the matter, ok? 1. That's not a backlink. A backlink is a link on a webpage that points to your own. That being said, this isn't really a very important point in this discussion. You said it wasn't possible, I was proving how it was. But it doesn't really pertain to whether Angela's links work or not. 2. Profile pages and signatures etc on Forums as well as on Blogs and social media can be effective at driving traffic, in a few different ways. But they dont help much (if at all) with SEO. 3. Well, I agree. If you participate then you get your links and profile out in front of people, and it tends to send traffic your way. I probably get 40-60 click per day ust through my signature links here on DP. A good example of profile pages accruing PR is in the V7N forums. They are still do follow, and there are many profiles with pagerank in there. But all of the profiles with pagerank have thousands and thousands of posts, and even their own external backlinks. But, are you saying you participate on all of the places you've registered? Do you think that most newbs that use Angela's are creating these profile pages on forums and blogs with the expectation that they have to contribute to the discussion there on a regular basis? I don't. 4. OK, so you are saying that some profile pages provide you with the ability to post an article to the front page of the site the profile is on. Well, that does sound pretty useful, at least for a short duration. How long does it stay up there? While it sounds like it would offer some good short term benefit, I still don't see much long term value. After a few days that article would be buried, and most likely would never accrue PR. Either the article or the profile would still need to accrue some PR value in order to pass any. 5. My pont was that you can rank well on a non-competitive SERP with only on page optimization. I see alot of newbs come along as say, look, I got to the first page of this SERP with Angela's links. That must be proof that they work. But closer scrutiny reveals that the SERP is very low volume and has no competition at all. 6. Blog commenting work, however most blogpost in a blog will never accrue any pagerank to pass. For her 'backlinks' article, she has a few comments on PR5 blogposts that don't have any other outbound links on them, and comments have been disabled, so no other outbound links will ever be on those pages. Those are pretty powerful backlinks. She offers you this kind of value? Are you saying she offers you exactly what she herself received to get her 'backlinks' article to the first page? I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm asking honestly. If you've received this kind of value in her links, I'll concede the whole argument, and run over an buy a packet today. But I don't think you have. I don't htink she offers anything even remotly close to what she used to get to the top of the 'backlinks' SERP. 7) I won't deny the point. I will say it works better, but that's a discussion for another thread, I think. 8.) The meat of the matter, and the best point you've made to date, is that you believe some pages might have a fraction of a PR assigned to them that never shows up on the Google toolbar because it's less than 1. And that if you get a bunch of them pointing at your site, the sheer volume of them will pass you some link juice. I'll be honest when I say I've never heard this theory, and I'd like to hear more about it. What evidence do you have that support this? Do you have a case study I could look at? I currently am of the mind that PR0 is PR0, and does not have the possibility that a fraction of a pagerank point may be assigned to it. Furthermore, if it did have that fraction of a point assigned ot it, and you needed 100's of profiles to point back to it, how would you be able to participate in all of them in order to increase the pagerank?
I ×™Have used angalea and paul backlinks and didn't saw improve results in the SERP or in my ranking. didn't work for me.
I got my four sites that I started with Angelas backlinks up to Pagerank 4 in 2 months. I didn't do any blog commenting at all.
Hi selectsplat, 'I don't have the time to go point by point but there really isn't that much that I see to respond to any differently. Two points though First fractional PR juice is not my belief. Like I said its a natural result of ANY algorythm that relies on division and Google has stated they use division and degradation of PR as it passes through links. So fractional juice is a given and is inevitable. Second, I don't use Angela's links. I've created my own system. I'm actually just becoming a competitor now to what she offers. Even so I didn't think your claims against her were fair so I responded. Why am I not a proponent of Angela's links? Three main reasons A) At this point I think they are overused. The business plan of charging $5 a month relies on making up the profit in volume. Volume and backlinks are enemies. When you have a thousand or two people descending on a site to place links whenever the packets are released it sends up a red flag to the sites receiving those links and at least some of those times its resulted in the sites becoming nofollow or removing the links entirely. B) The links in a pdf are just too easy to reproduce and there are loads of backlinks circulated all over the place so besides there being many subscribers theres a whole bunch of copiers. This leads to all kinds os spammers getting them etc C) with such a large group theres no way of getting rid of spammers. You can't track them down and kick them out. In a smaller group you can put tracer links in and you have a shot of identifying who your spammers are. I'll shock you and state that I don't think any successful site should rely exclusively on these kinds of links going forward. Its great to start out in your first year or two or if you are not ranking high enough but down the line you need to concentrate on getting natural backlinks as well. With my smaller group I can bring them along in learning thow to do that and not just rely on profile backlinks forever.
I have sites with number 1 rankings in SERP(s) using nothing but links from Angela's link list. If they don't work, how do I get page 1 rankings and sites with hundreds of daily unique visitors from doing nothing but using those links? And it was not from on-page SEO, I slowly watched them move up from page 7 to page 1, to rank 1, as I built links using NOTHING but angela's link list. I am very surprised you have been doing this for 10 years but think PR0 links are worthless. Even nofollow links are worth some link juice. Sure, they may not be very helpful for super competitive terms, but using angela's link list I can laser target long tail keywords very fast. I am sorry sir, but you are dead wrong, and I know from personal experience. I am making 400-500$ average per day on adsense with sites I ranked using ONLY angela and pauls "worthless" links. They might be worthless to you, but for me, they are money in the bank.
Thanks I am already using it. You find the username like me, Angela normally use for link building for his own site and share it here. Do you know Paul username for its link building.?