I stumbled upon this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxzOu_gD54U (General Surgeon's Warning: you might want to mute your speakers before you view the video, the music is .... well... a matter of personal taste ) For those who don't get it: الله is "allah" or god in Arabic (see image below). I found the video to be extremely funny, mainly because it reminded me of this funny piece: http://www.satireandcomment.com/0208toast.html The topic for discussion: Do you believe in miracles? Have you ever saw a miracle that you would like to share with us? Why does god only make "small" miracles? why not "big" ones, ones that can be seen by more than, say, 3 people, or like just speak to us from the radio or TV or make it rain coins? whats his problem? If miracles don't exist: Why do religious people need miracles so much that they consider everything they see/experience to be a miracle from god? In the later case, In your opinion, would it be accurate to describe those who always look for 'miracles' as non-believers? Because one who really believes, doesn't need "proof", isn't it so? The whole point about "belief" is to think that something exists although you can't prove it. Maybe these people are just having 2nd thoughts? What do you think.
Of course there must be miracles for the prophets, peace be upon them, to prove their prophethood. The prophets, peace be upon them, challenge thereby those who deny them and win the challange. If they lose the challenge, then they are fake ones. The Mighty Quran. There are big miracles, but the blind can not see them. this is your propblem. Maybe He want those who have no sense (atheists) to be blocked from Him completely. And those who have no knowledge say: "Why does not Allâh speak to us or why does not a sign come to us?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike, We have indeed made plain the signs for people who believe with certainty. (118) Verily, We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the truth, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And you will not be asked about the dwellers of the blazing Fire. (119) Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh that is the Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (friend, protector or guardian) nor any helper. (120) Say (O Muhammad PBUH): "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God — i.e. Allâh). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (110) If miracles don't exist, how can we know if the messenger is not a false one? We can still believe in the existance of God as a matter of logic, but we cannot know who is He and what can bring us near to Him. Maybe. what a wonderful name that fill me with peace.
The topic for discussion: Have you ever saw a miracle that you would like to share with us? [/QUOTE] yeah, has anyone seen a miracle ? will you send me the youtube link, can I download it from torrent heck ... a miracle is not a box office movie that everyone can see
I have seen a very religious muslim years ago he understood what i was thinking just that moment. I was surprised. I don't know whether it is a miracle or not. Have you guys seen such a person? I think even if God were to show himself clearly some ppl wouldn't listen him again. Miracles don't matter so much.
Miracles do exist. One of the miracles is that so many people follow a fake prophet, a "prophet" who is responsible for the execution of hundreds of people, who married a child, and still so many people consider those actions "divine deeds". It is a miracle for hundreds of millions of people to consider somebody for a prophet and be proud of him who by current legal and moral standards would end up in jail for life.
But why I found it to be so funny? Most of the pictures in the video don't really look like الله . If one really believes that Allah write it, then he could have certainly done better, the all mighty god, no? or, in Islam, is it possible that god has Dyslexia?
A real miracle would be if a muslim could make a video that doesn't include nasal wailing like a dog whos got his nuts trapped in a bee hive.
you are searching for miracle. Miracles are around you. Muslim's Holy quran is the Miracle. It was given to Prophet Muhammad (SW). It 1400 years old, Never modified a single word, no need to update the text, no one has been able to find fault in it. In the Quran there is are many versus challenging to make similar Quran by human and it is guaranteed by Allah no one can do it. Read Quran & check modern science, what science are telling you now, the holy quran said you 1400 years back. you can also check this site: http://www.quranandscience.com/
You understand nothing about science, which is the only way you can believe that the quran is a science book. Also, it is obvious that the writers of the quran thought that the earth is flat. http://islam-watch.org/Logical/Proof-Quran-thinks-Earth-is-Flat.htm A lot of verses support a flat earth. Sorry.
Im afraid you have not gone through very well. also I dont like this Article because Its written by Logical Thinker, Without any Identity (whois he?) They arguments are not enough. The article is based on Conspiracy at one Person Dr Zakir Naik.(it seems that Naik is the main reason to write this article).but NOT explaining Authors logic. also I rejected this article, because it doesnt show the context of verses, but just having small lines taken out of Surah. Quran says at the Judgment day the earth will become plain so that all humans will stand there. It doesnt mean thay earth is already plain All of other Verses shows the word "Bed" well BED doesnt mean plain like bed. Bed is used to shows the comfortableness for human being.. Show me a single proof that they dont float in an orbit..
It does. But sinse when has being correct equated to a miracle? Show me a single proof that the sun sets in a muddy spring...
What does it matter? They are more than enough. The article is based on verses found in the quran. Nothing but that. The rising place of the sun would have existed if the earth was flat. this whole verse make sense (place with no shelter against the sun) if the earth is flat. This is one of many examples, where the quran advocates a flat earth. The people who wrote the quran thought the earth is flat. This is most reasonable: at that time people thought that the earth is flat. Get over it. Believers would have argued that the quran does not say that the earth is flat even if there was a verse: "god said: I made the earth flat". Just as they say that the quran don't order you not to take jews and christians as your friends despite the verse : "don't take the jews and the christians to be your friends". That's why they call it : "religion".
You dont know the context of these verses as I mentioned above the Article Writer so called Logical Thinker also dont know. also you are just cutting half lines and pasting here without contect In the above line Allah is Describing an event in past.. how can I shows you that again?
So it doesn't set in a muddy spring then? Funny, the quran says it does. We can come to 1 of 2 conclusions here. 1. The sun sets in a muddy spiring. 2. It doesn't, the quran is wrong. Which one is it? You seem to want to have ot both ways. You seem to want to take what appears to be describing something correctly as verbatum and something which is obviously complete bollocks, like the claim that the sun sets in a muddy spring, as out of context.
Yeah it really matters, that who is saying and what is saying. The screenshot I put above is the detail written by famous person to whom ppl know and respect, You can google his name to check this identity, you will get hundreds of links and you should read after this line too.. the reason of it is also there. Im afraid that you are very offensive. cant we discuss for the sake of knowledge? getting offensive will cause no gain in knowledge, but more gap among us.
Only in Islamic thinking, the identity of the speaker affects the validity of his arguments. You might read after this line too, and might interpret it as you wish. Many Muslims choose not to. They are also right. For them: God says "don't take jews and christians as your friends." period, and this means: "don't take jews and christians as your friends". period.
So you make it up as you go a long, regecting and accepting things on the basis of whether they support the conclusion you have already come to? Sounds typically religious to me.
If you are jew or christian, You must know that every religion which is having Holy books (there were four religious books by God. Now Only one is left in real form, as Allah promised to take care of it.) follow everything based at valid arguments..thats why Identity of speaker really matter. I have red complete Surah and its in Surah Ehzab.. Allah say to Muslim, not to do friendship with jews and chirstans because they cant be Muslims freinds ever.. and real facts are the same.