Liberal Qualification: Being Ugly?

That reminds me very much of the seinfeld episode where elaine tells jerry the girl he's dating has fake boobs.


impatiently waiting for tara's photo gallery ....

 

Better to tease than show them, I think.

 

I would tend to agree with that statement, Tara

 

Thank you.

 

You Know You're From San Francisco When...
You take a bus and are shocked that 2 people are carrying on a conversation in English.

Someone says TENDERLOIN - you don't think of steak.

You never bother looking at the MUNI line schedule because you know the drivers have never seen it.

A really great parking space can move you to tears.

You know that anyone wearing shorts in July must be visiting from Ohio.

You assume every company offers domestic partner benefits.

Your boss runs in "The Bay to Breakers"....and it's not the first time you have seen him/her nude.

You are thinking of taking an adult class but you can't decide between yoga, aroma therapy, conversational mandarin or a building your own web site class.

You haven't been to Fisherman's Wharf since the first month you moved to SF and you couldn't figure out how to drive to Coit Tower if your life depended on it.

You were born somewhere else.

Left is right and right is wrong.

Your monthly house payments exceed your annual income.

You dive under a desk whenever a large truck goes by.

You can't find your other earring because your son is wearing it.

Your family tree contains "significant others."

Your cat has its own psychiatrist.

Smoking in your office is not optional.


Rainstorms or thunder are the lead story for the local news.


A man gets on the bus in full leather regalia and crotchless chaps. You don't even notice.

Your car insurance costs as much as your house pqyment.

When you drive under an underpass - for one moment you think "earthquake".

You realize the only Republicans you know are your Aunt and Uncle in Texas.


You go to your office manager's baby shower - the parent's are named Judy and Becky.

When your church elects a new Bishop who abandoned his family and two young daughters to fulfill his sexual urges with another man.

You actually get these jokes and pass them on to other friends from San Francisco.

 

I guess that must be true because most of that went right over my head. Didn't get half of it.

 

haha I've lived there for 1 1/2 years, and everything makes sense to me

 

Yeah...the greatest kind of diversity, the eventual split of the country.

Fucking impossible to find parking in the city. You have park over a bumb sometimes.

Home of the wacko left.

Only second to manhattan, I believe.

Yeah, and he's also waxing his eyebrows and wears makeup...but he's still normal!?

The freak-fest in certain parts makes you think your at a circus.

yes...ehhhhh

A lot of gay priest around here for some reason.....

Sadly I do.

 

whats sad about it?

If you like everything clean, conservative, and "normal" move to the other 99% of the country

 

'You actually get these jokes and pass them on to other friends from San Francisco.'

That I get the jokes.

It's good that you say 'if', because that leaves room for me to say otherwise, and your not specifical asserting anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'clean'...clean cut? 50's like? No, not necessarily. My first venture into music, was punk, and my friends everso often had their hair spiked. It was all in fun.

Conservative...ehh...I'm not them throughly. I don't really get uptight at the idea of gay people, but I do get pissed off by how some gays getting blatantly disrespectful. Think of how some women are hit-on by men (sometimes rather rudely), then just think of a straight man like myself getting some of that...it gives me an idea how retarded the dick gets when it wants something.

As far as normal goes, I'd like to give something to my fellow liberals to think about...

There are extremes in every spectrum of thought, and one has to do with tolerance. There are people that tolerate everything, and there are people that tolerate nothing. In between all of that are people like myself, whom hold some rather decent standards. A good example...nothing wrong with a man with tattoes...but when the man is a tattooe ie he's a made himself a cheetah...then he's a freek. Overt over-the-top kind of things are abnormal, because they scream rebellion without reason or rationality. Just like GTEch pic of the guy.

My standards make sense, and I'll move when my obligation are taken care of.

 

You are ABSOLUTELY right. However; this is just Darwins law, stating that there are no species on the planet capable of having every quality. It is for that reason that a bird has less ribs; Time has 'transformed' the ribs into wings.

In other words; Conservatives look nicer but are smart as a brick.
Can you still follow me? (You are a handsome conservative so I'd better ask )

This topic has no intention other than to flame, maybe it would be wise to lock it

 

Do you have any idea how dorky that sounds. Like the music you listen to and your hair cut actually mean anything.

I only remeber a few pushy gays in SF but I hungout in the Tenderloin and the Haight. Maybe you should stop cruising the casto

Decent Standards? What a joke, standards on other peoples appearences, didn't you get the memo , caring about other people appearences went out in like 10th grade. What type of adult gives a crap about what some stranger is wearing?

 

I'm going to attempt to sound more intelligent than Ferret when I politely disagree with you, Rick.

I would just like to ask, what's your definition of "Normal?" I wasn't aware there was a set standard.. and I don't think we have a place to define what's normal, on the whole. Obviously there's room for personal opinion, but just because you don't care for a "human tattoo" (to use your example) does not make that person a freak.

If everyone were the same Rick, this would be a boring country!

 

Just messing with you Ricky

 

Wrong, I'm a lean-libertarian...with a few conservative leanings. Historically libertarians in economics/philosophy are of the highest caliber...hell, most of our founders were such.

It's not a flaming thread...IF it insults you then that's your problem, not mine. Obviously you wish to turn into a flaming thread, but for the better part this thread has remained quite civil.

 

*shrug*

This is actually outside of the city...I rarely go to San Fran. Only certain parts of it. I actually like those certain parts...beautiful.

Depends on if you wish to raise a child around that. I have no problem with differences, but rebellious activity without reason is not a positive attribute for me.

 

Thanks.

All human standards on behaviour are subjective ie they are created in the mind, not in nature. It's what I like to call 'the game'. People have influenced standards upon you, and some you've conciously accept and others are otherwise. I realize there's no objective way to define normality in some situations, with out a prior standard commanding so; but I find it as moral imperative to hold philosophical standards of my own as given.

Good example...say a woman grows up with the belief that if she sleeps with a fairly huge amount of men she's a 'whore'. Obviously that word 'whore' is a standard, which morally opposes the concept as negative. Now in all regards, standards are meanless,...the only regards in which they are meanful are their consequences/reactions. If a woman decides to sleep with many men, she may have no consequence, but she's more likely to gain diseases and a bad reputation.

Now let's review this on social level. Say the culture of the time promotes such as positive, and the idea of being a 'whore' is acceptable. Therefore there will most likely be more people doing such. Which translates to more diseases, and less reputable women (in some men's eyes...whom I kinding, most men's eyes). The social consequence of accepting an idea are evident in every moral announcement one makes. I make them just like every effective philosophical person has...because they are imperatives in society to maintain some sort of reasonable structure.

The 60's rock...did it lead to a culture of drug abuse?

Some of my moral views might be more trivial than others, but I make them because most ideas ultimately are defeated on moral standpoints, and are not held exclusively outside of such. Could you think of a single life chose you've made not based on your morals?

I hear that cliche, but it's unwarranted; as I'm not promoting an indistinguishable society, but a reasonable/reasoned society.

 

Speaking of whores... this doesn't have any relation to your post, but you did make me wonder about something. Why are women who choose to sleep around whores, but men who do the same are regarded as some sort of sex god...? Just curious to hear a male's perspective about the whole thing.

Now, to get back to your post. Okay, so you're not attempting to promote a society where everyone looks, acts, thinks, and talks the same way. Great! I'm glad. However... beyond the obvious, how can there be any set standard for what a reasonable/reasoned society is? Now, by the obvious I mean theft, murder, drugs, etc. etc. etc... I think the majority of society can agree those are all very bad things not conducive to a reasonable society.

But as far as anything else goes, how can we set a criteria for what's considered "normal" and "abnormal?"

I'm hoping this makes sense. I'm exhausted from my day, heh.

 

Personally...it's weird thing to review. It's just the prevailing perspective on things.

I don't really have a huge problem with people having casual sex...but when you hear about sex culturally, you're obviously not going to hear (a lot of) this in the same breath: know there's consequence to it (which you have to live with), and try to be safe.

I must admit I have mixed feeling on having girlfriend that's been around...but generally speaking, I don't want to know anything about a woman's sexual history other than she's disease-free. There's nothing good that will come of knowing that...atleast for me.

Look how long it took for people to agree that theft against anyone is wrong ie the concept of individual rights...not it's okay for them but not I. Hell, they've been pronouncing that moral imperative probably even before the 10 commandments existed. Funny how it's still not morally adhered to.

As far as your question goes. 'Reasoned' means a person makes a concious chose what they are doing is what they truely want and they willing to live with it...not I want to be different for the sake of being different or I FEEL like it. Both those responses are irrational and readily indentify ones philosophical 'senses of life'. More particularly, I would call one of the concepts hedonism, and the other I have no specific manner of describing.

I like individualism, and while I personally promote certain moral perspectives, I do not like to set anything in stone (internally).

If I could ask anything of anyone (without being too imposing), I would ask them to review their whole approach to life, and it's practical consequences. Asking them, 'whether or not they could truely live with those consequences or the ones they promote?'