Israel cuts Palestinian water

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  1. CMike111

    CMike111 Peon

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    #161
    Their leaders wanted to destory all of Israel. And Israel is supposed to give land for vague promises of peace that never come to fruition. That would be suicidal.

    If they want to be free the palestinians should go back to their home country of jordan. The land now belongs to Israel.

    I guess they shouldn't have attacked Israel for the purpose of wiping it out, huh?
     
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    #162
    I am glad deaths went down.

    The amount of water going in isn't based on terror attacks. It's based on the amount of water that they have. They have a shortage. Therefore, it's limited.
     
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    #163
    But they can bring in rockets. This is a Palestinian problem. You support armed struggle against Israel and yet demand they provide for those attacking them. If you don't see the absurdity in your position that is your problem.
     
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  4. CMike111

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    #164
    Not only armed struggle but they support the targeting of civilians and then complain that the people their govenment launches terrorist attacks against doesn't supply them enough.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #165
    so it has nothing to do with hamas. they do not control how much water israel needs. so why do you bring them into the conversation
    it is also important for israeli govt to accept that not only it has a moral obligation but also a legal obligation to provide adequate water, based on international humanitarian and other laws.
    and it is more important to make sure these responsibilities are met rather than swimming pools filled. specially if these waters are in palestanian lands that they have confiscated

    let me first say that i am totally against these rockets, and not only based on humanitarian issues but also for the fact that they are useless and counterproductive in regard to the resistance that they are supposedly represent.
    having said that i do not see palestanians importing much weapons as have been suggested for many years. i only see some basic ak47 and such and some homemade rockets. where are these weapons that they have imported in the last ten years?
     
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  6. CMike111

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    #166
    1)Pizza my point is that the arabs and judea and samaria are getting water based on the supply.

    2)That said I feel that in light that the PA government is an organization that is one that has committed numerous terrorist atttacks of Israeli civilians, Israel has been pretty generous, especially that it also gives water to jordan and s. lebanon

    3) Israel is living up to its agreements of the Oslo Assords to supply water. The "Palestinians" are violating the accords by digging wells and tapping into the main water supply by passing the agreement.
     
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    #167
    Haha, You can't destroy their well's, stop essential building materials from getting into Palestine 'things that are needed to maintain things like the Gaza Aquifer' that you bang on about (apart from destroying it and it's pipelines with your bombs) confiscate their water, give them a lil back (substandard for normal living) and then say you're being generous.

    Then again anything given to a sub-human "scum" species is surely generous.

    You parrot the same non-sense like Mark Regev, the fact remains Palestinians are not getting enough water, the report from AI say's so and when checking the facts they are supported by accounts already documented.
     
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    #168
    Oslo Accord 2 Facts
    1) The PA committed to not build any wells that tap into Israel's main water supply. They have been violating this agreement

    2) Israel committed to supplying certain levels of water to the PA. They have done so.

    Any questions? It's not that complicated.
     
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    rhoula Well-Known Member

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    #169
    What ever Israel do, to most of you, it's just a struggle to defend itself, but to what the Palestinians do, it's an act of terrorism.

    Please wake up and smell your coffee, the world is opening its eyes and things are going to change in the future.

    If I have someone living in my back yard and he has to report to me each time he wants to use the bathroom or get out of my backyard that used to be part of his house, then I expect that guy to throw rocks at my windows.
     
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    #170
    Link please to these specifics of the information you offer (actual source not news articles), and I take it current wells that were there prior to the accord are legitimate targets?

    Speaking on Amnesty International report and whether they are biased:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3uYXWtd684&#t=3m46s (watch from when it starts at 3mins 46s watch until 3mins 54s)

    After you watch that remember Mark Regev is described as a "zionist" on his wikipedia page and was spokesman for the Prime Minister of Israel, he uses Amnesty International against Hama's, therefore Amnesty International has reported abuses on both sides and is independent and furthermore was approved by the zionist spokesman for Israel:)
     
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  11. CMike111

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    #171
    Amnesty is a pro arabist far left wing organization I couldn't care less what they claim, but since you asked...

    Notice that there actual details of the agreement whereas the pro arabist left wing Amnesty only makes baseless vague claims.

    Can you show that any of these facts are wrong?

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/173367

    Foreign Ministry: PA, Not Israel, Cheating on Water


    Reported: 22:40 PM - Oct/27/09
    Follow Israel news briefs on and


    (IsraelNN.com)
    Responding to an Amnesty International report that claims that Israel unfairly takes more than its share of the country's limited water resources, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday that Israel had followed international agreements with the Palestinian Authority on water resources faithfully – and in fact Israel has provide the PA with twice as much as had been agreed to in the Oslo Accords.

    According to the Oslo Accords, the Foreign Ministry statement said, the PA is supposed to get 23.6 million cubic meters annually. "In actual effect, they have access to twice as much water," the statements says. "Israel has fulfilled all its obligations under the water agreement regarding the supply of additional quantities of water to the Palestinians, and has even extensively surpassed the obligatory quantity. The Palestinians, on the other hand, have significantly violated their commitments under the water agreement, specifically regarding important issues such as illegal drilling (they have drilled over 250 wells without the authorization of the Joint Water Commission) and handling of sewage," it said.


    Here is another one below

    http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2009/10/pa-violating-water-accords-as-israel.html

    The Water Authority rejects Amnesty International claims, to be released in a report on Tuesday, that Israelis whet their thirst at the expense of Palestinian Authority Arabs. The Water Authority countered that PA Arabs continually violate Oslo Accords by illegally drilling for water and spilling untreated sewage. “The Amnesty report is selective and incorrect, to make an understatement,” said spokesmen for Water Authority chairman Uri Shore.



    Despite several claims by human rights organizations that Israel has taken water away from what is now the Palestinian Authority, the amount of water available to PA Arabs since the Six-Day War in 1967 actually has gone up while Israelis have suffered a whopping 70 percent drop in their resources.



    “The amount of natural water, including underground aquifers, the amount of water available annually to every Israeli before 1967 was 500 cubic meters a year,” the Water Authority explained. “Today the figure is 149 cubic meters, while water available to PA Arabs actually has increased by 22 percent, from 87 cubic meters to 105 cubic meters a year per capita.”



    It noted that the gap that exists “is not so great” to be termed a disaster.



    At the same time, the PA is not treating sewage for agriculture, as agreed on with Israel in 1995 as part of the Oslo Accords. NGO Monitor’s President Prof. Gerald Steinberg said, “Amnesty’s report manipulates the issue of water and ignores the complexities of history and law in order to again falsely portray Israel as a brutal regime. The report adopts a painfully simplistic narrative which places blame solely on Israel, to the extent that the Palestinian leadership is absolved of responsibility for the agreements signed under the Oslo framework."




    Israel’s water resources are near an all-time low, following four years of drought along with increasing water usage and a growing population. Higher water levies and conservation measures have cut water consumption by more than 20 percent this year.
     
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  12. Toopac

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    #172
    Then why did your Zionist Israeli spokesman to the Israeli president use Amnesty as a credible source? see below:

    Tis' a question mark above ie a question.

    Here's the transcript of the above piece if you can't watch videos:

    John Snow: Was Hamas democratically elected just a couple of years ago?

    Mark Regev: Correct. And then they took over in a military coup and ruled gaza by terror.

    Mark Regev: Ask Amnesty International.


    I asked for sources not propaganda, you gave me the Israeli foreign ministry and the Israeli water authority's statements pasted into Israeli news articles (and you say Amnesty International is biased), we saw how the propaganda machine works during the onslaught of Gaza by the Israeli's during their war crimes (this is when Israel lost my support), lies, lies, lies that's all they spouted during that war.

    And no I'm not bothered about Hamas or what Hamas did, I'm talking about what Israel did.

    Things written in red mean the same in normal size font and in the default colour FYI.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #173
    i do not see you disagreeing that the water actually is in the palestanian territories.
    also we all understand that this article is against israel, you keep on saying this like this alone should disqualify it as being truthful. the fact is that amnesty sees this as an unjust practice to take the water that might belong to palestanians[no body has denied this that i noticed], and filling up swimming pools with it while palestanians have to suffer to the point that is less than minimum recommended for humans.
    also since you still occupy the territories it is you responsibility to provide the water.
    what is really disturbing to me is that, it seems israelis feel justified, no matter what they do to palestanians and no matter who tells them otherwise.
    being UN, Amnesty, their own soldiers, and humanitarian organization they are all leftist or blah blah blah
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2JB6eysQo&feature=PlayList&p=F02F50929A83A0C3&index=7
     
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    #174
    Regarding the Palestinians how/where are they tapping into your supply? Are they building wells in Tel Aviv?
     
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    #175
    1) I provided the facts giving the actual numbers. Israel is a democracy and the information is public. If you dispute the facts and numbers why don't you provide what you feel are the real ones.

    2) I couldn't care less what far left groups have to say and I couldn't care less what the UN says. The UN has elected reps as their leaders from terrorist sponsoring states like Syria.

    The US would be far more beneficial to kick the UN out of its country. It serves no productive purpose and does nothing good for the interests of the US.

    The int'l community gave Obama the nobel peace prize who is about anti-american as you can get.

    3) Put up or shut up. I gave the actual numbers and figures. Israel is providing access to more than double the amount of water required under Oslo, despite a several drought in Israel.

    4) Judea and Samaria are within Israel. It is not palestinian land it's Israeli land. Also the PA agreed to how water is handled in the Oslo accords. The PA has been violating the agreement by digging wells that tap into Israel's main water supply and Israel has been more than living up to it's side of the bargain.
     
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    #176
    No in judea and samaria which is Israeli land.
     
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    #177
    show a map of judea and samaria and gaza so we can figure out what are you talking about
    obama is the president. get a grip. he represents USA
     
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    #178
    Obama is an anti-american president who is driving america from being america. He is a socialist/communist.

    Judea and Samaria is what you call the west bank and gaza.

    He did nothing to earn a nobel peace prize other than being a socialist/communist.
     
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    #179
    it seems that you do not understand democracy. president obama was chosen by majority of the people of US. so US is also a leftist country?
    do you consider yourself to the right of libertarians[Ron Paul] or to the left.
    and do you consider your self a follower of anarchism.
    ==========-=====

    so you agree that the source of water is in west bank and gaza.
    now if this area is israel then the native residence of the area are also israeli. so when can the arab residence of judea and samaria vote in your democracy?
     
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    #180
    The report from AI does state facts, Mark Regav the Zionist Israeli spokes person for the Israeli prime minster cites AI. Why would he be citing them in one breath to prove a point, yet when you don't like what they say they are arab terrorist sympathizers:rolleyes:

    And if you believe everything put out by Israel you are truley a sucker, all governments use propaganda even mine the UK.

    UN is terrorist, I see.

    Peace is Anti-American? I don't see your point?

    You gave me figures from the very people accused of the human rights violations, obviously they want the truth to come out:rolleyes:

    Maybe we should ask Robert Mugabe if his government abuses human rights, or Iran instead of taking the word of simple news articles, or we could have asked Hitler if he really was killing Jews.

    Then why do you kick up a song and dance that you actually supply water to Judea and Samaria when they are in Israel? You sound like an idiot "o ye praise the chosen ones for supply water within Israel, aren't they nice"

    Furthermore if Gaza is really Israel, then Israel should repair their own infrastructure such as the Gaza Aquifer or should I say "Israeli Aquifer".

    So what your saying is Israel owns all of Israel, west bank and Gaza, (It's all Israel) Palestinians are guests even in Gaza and when they collect your rain water that is not permitted?
     
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