Religiously fueled hatred of a race over a real estate grab. The irony is, if you believe the genealogical accounts, they are in fact not only the same race, but the same gene pool. Great Britain deserves the real blame in this whole mess. It should serve as a lesson for the U.S. in Afghanistan.
I still have no clue what you are talking about. Hager was Sarah's maid sevant. Sarah was Abraham's wife. Sarah couldn't get pregnant, so as was the custom in that day, Hager got pregnant with Abraham instead. Hager then became very disrespectful and haughty to Sarah and ran away. G-D then found Hager at the well, and told her that she will have a son called Ishmael, and because of her crappy attitude toward Sarah, Ishmael would have some "issues" as were mentioned in the passage. What does this have to do with Afghanistan?
i am posting the original article from amnesty. http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/israel-rations-palestinians-trickle-water-20091027 i have changed the font to bold it seems that water restrictions also applies to west bank that is not under hamas control also it seems that some of these water resources are in west bank and might belong to palestanians not israel and i want to know how stopping them from collecting rain water is justified
I'll spell it out. Its not that Sarai was unable to bear children. She had many of her own. Sarai's children are the ancestors of the Jews. Abraham nails Hagar, and produces the bastard son Ishmael(generally considered the common ancestor of all Arabs, and the Prophet Mohammad). Sarai gets jealous, Hagar flees, God steps in and says he will bless Ishmael with a large family though they will be ill mannered, against every man, and every man against them. God says they will live "in the presence" of their brethren(the Jews). Roll the clock forward to the creation of the nation of Israel in the wake of the Holocaust and British Imperialism. Britain pulls out after throwing their hands up in the air not wanting to deal with the problems supporting Israel will create in the many other Arab nations they occupied at the time, and creates the now long standing land dispute, which religion is being used to fuel. You should find this link an interesting read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
The problem is that G-D didn't say his descendents will be ill mannered, he said Ishmael will be ill mannered.
now, If you don't know, how to click and open a link, than I can't help yeah, those Palestinians are always lying, even Amnesty international fell in their trap this time so that makes it right to put a blockage on water ? have fun with em
Haha, no. That would make me as loony as the people who attack Jews because they are Jews. I thought it to be an interesting coincidence though. Good point. Nevertheless, many of his descendants in that part of the world( if they are his descendants) are very ill mannered. You should take the time to read the link I posted, in its full length. It provides a LOT of insight into the people and mentalities in the region (both Jews and Arabs).
Pizza Amnesty Int'l is a far left wing pro arab organization. Israel is very generous with water for the arabs in judea and samaria. Despite it's problems with water it not only supplies water to judea and samaria, but even to Jordan and southen Lebanon. Below are the facts and why drilling is not allowed. http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/05-06-...raeliWater.htm [COLOR="Red[SIZE="5"]"]"[w]hen Gaza was turned over to the sole ruling authority of Arafat's PA, it received total control of the Gaza aquifer - which at the time was still functioning and producing potable water. Within less than two years under Palestinian Arab management, the Gaza Aquifer was ruined, contaminated beyond repair. If the PA is incapable of taking care of its own aquifer to supply water to its residents, how can Israel place its trust in the same Authority to care and conserve water sources that supply Israeli taps[/SIZE][/COLOR]?" The Coastal Aquifer extends south to include all of the Gaza strip as well as the site in the Sinai where once Israelis built Yamit. Abandonning the coastal tail of the aquifer to the Egyptians - thus reducing Israel's water supply - compounded the damage to the aquifer by present-day overutilization. The remains of Yamit are a memorial - and a warning - of the first expulsion of Jews by Jews. Atlas also points out the consequences of Israel's allowing the Mountain aquifer to fall into Arab hands: [Given what has happened to the Coastal aquifer] "the importance of the Mountain Aquifer has increased. As Israel's State Comptroller's Annual Report already reported by the early 1990's: "The Mountain Aquifer, extending eastward of the Coastal Aquifer, from the slopes of Mt. Carmel to Beersheba, and from the crests of mountain ridges in Judea and Samaria to the coastal plain, serves as the principle reservoir of drinking water to the Dan region, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Beersheba. Today, it is the most important long term source in the [National] Water System." "Now comes the political problem. This 'most important long-term source' physically straddles the pre-1967 cease fire lines, alias 'the Green Line', into Judea and Samaria. The Principle of Connecting Vessels tells us that any activity affecting the water on one side will affect that on the other side as well. So if pumping operations, or uncontrolled flow of sewage or industrial waste, etc., occur on the western slopes of Judea and Samaria, it would cause serious, and most probably irreversible, damage to the key source of drinking water for Israel's major urban centers and environs. "The political and strategic significance for Israel is clear. Withdrawing from Judea and Samaria - i.e., the Mountain Aquifer - or from the Golan Heights would create a situation in which the fate of Israel's water supply would be determined by Mr. Arafat's Palestinian Authority and the Syrians, respectively. [underscoring added] "Can Israel really afford to trust her most valuable and irreplaceable national resource in the hands of those who have had a long history of trying to destroy the Jewish State? In the case of the Syrians, this includes diverting and/or poisoning Israel's water supply." Whether through malevolence, ignorance or seeing the Middle East through Arab-colored glasses, much of the press presents a distorted picture of water usage between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs, wherein Israel is the villain. In the summer of 1998, as an example, the New York Times compared how the West Bank Arabs were "parched" for drinking water while the Jewish settlers near Hebron watered lawns and washed cars.[9] The Times knew exactly how incendiary the story was - accuracy wasn't its objective. The facts were much different - the settlers needed to drink bottled water because they didn't have drinkable water while the Arabs don't distribute their water equitably but sell their water privately or steal it and then sell it. What goes unreported is the extent to which Israel shares water with her neighbors. Camera[10] pointed out in 2002 that "... every year over 40 MCM (million cubic meters) of water from sources within Israel is piped over the Green Line for Palestinian use in the West Bank. Ramallah, for example, receives over 5 MCM. Israel sends another 4 MCM over its border for Palestinian use in Gaza. Thus, it is the Palestinians who are using Israeli water. "And not just the Palestinians. Despite its own meager supply, Israel annually provided 600,000 CM of water to ten otherwise dry villages in South Lebanon, and provides more than 55 MCM annually to Jordan." "In addition, Israel also supplies more than 4 MCM annually to the Gaza Strip through the Kissufim Line of the National Water Carrier, serving the Palestinian localities of El-Bureij, Moazi, Abasan, Bani Suheila and Khan Yunis" (Statistical Data on Gaza Area and Jericho, Israel Foreign Ministry, June 1994). [/QUOTE]
and NYJewish times would be what ? heck even their alexa rank is 5,XXX,XXX with whopping 200 visitors per month as per compete! I am sure, all would be your visits
you seem to think that israel has some rights that amnesty disagrees with you. so lets look at these few things that i have questions about. a-is it true that israel has confiscated water rich areas of westbank and does not allow palestanians to use it? and if so why is such land considered israeli and not occupied territory? and what makes water produced in such areas israeli water and not palestanian water? b-how stopping palestanians from collecting rain water is justified?
Then what's the purpose of Israel blowing up and otherwise destroying Palestinians wells? I don't see what they get out of it, do you? Talking about Hamas and the Gaza aquifer, how the hell can you maintain it when to even get food into Gaza is a nightmare? not only for the citizen but for any aid group. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8327146.stm
That's easy because the water supply they are digging into supplies all of jerusalem. It's a major water supply, including for judea, samaria, jordan and south Lebanon.. Also, when the PA did administer their own water for two years, they messed it up and contaminated their own water.
No Judea and Samaria are within Israel. All water within Israel belongs to Israel. "Occupied territory" is not a soverign state. Israel is. It's within Israel. Also digging those wells are in violation of the Oslo 2 Accords that the PA signed on to. Israel is living up to its side. http://www.biu.ac.il/Besa/books/maps.htm#4 The Map of Water Resources The ground water reservoir in Judea and Samaria, called the Mountain Aquifer, is the State of Israel's largest and most important water reservoir. Some 600 million cubic meters of water are produced from it in an average year, about a third of the State of Israel's national water consumption. This water is of the highest quality and supplies the domestic needs of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Beer Sheva, and most of the cities in the center of the country; it is also used for irrigation of large agricultural areas along the coastal plain, the piedmont, the Beer Sheva valley, the Jezreel Valley, and the Jordan Valley. Natural water sources must be preserved even in an era of desalination, because the value of water is not determined only by the cost of its production; rather, it has value as a national natural resource. Therefore, Israeli governments have declared that water is a strategic resource for Israel even in an era of peace. After the IDF's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, some 500 new wells were drilled there, in violation of the agreement reached with the PA, and today many attempts to drill wells are being made in the Jenin area. The vital need to prevent wildcat drilling by Palestinians and the need to ensure the supply of good quality water in the future requires exclusive Israeli control of the vital pumping areas. A mapping of the pumping potential in Judea and Samaria is presented in the map of ground water reservoirs (Map #3). The map defines three areas: A. Areas in which water cannot be pumped; these areas are located on the top of the geological domes in Hebron and Ramallah to Mt. Gilboa. B. Areas of low pumping potential, in which the thickness of the saturated subterranean stratum is no greater than 200 meters, and in which water can be pumped at low yields of up to a few tens of cubic meters per hour. These areas are marked on the map in light blue and are located around the areas of the first type. C. Areas of high pumping potential, in which the thickness of the saturated stratum is between 200 and 600 meters, and in which water may be pumped at yields of thousands of cubic meters per hour. These areas are marked on the map in blue. Accordingly, the Mountain Aquifer is divided into three subareas marked on the map by the numbers 1-3, representing different levels of strategic importance, as follows: Area no. 1: the western basin of the Mountain Aquifer, called the Yarkon-Tanninim Aquifer. This basin today supplies an average of 340 million cubic meters per year, largely for the domestic use of 2.5 million civilians living in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and the cities in the center of the country (the Palestinians today pump an additional 20 million cubic meters a year). This basin is of prime importance and the Palestinians cannot be allowed any further drillings in it. The boundaries of this basin have thus been marked on the map of defense interests (Map #2) with blue dots. Special arrangements will have to be made in the cities of Qalqilia and Tulkarem, which are located in this area, in order to prevent further drilling there. This area largely overlaps the security band, and contains a large proportion of the Israeli settlement blocs in western Samaria and Benjamin. Area no. 2: The northern basin is called the Nablus-Gilboa Aquifer. This basin today supplies an average of 115 million cubic meters a year, largely for agricultural irrigation in the kibbutzim and moshavim in the northern valleys (the Palestinians pump an additional 25 million cubic meters a year). Demographically, this area is one of dense Palestinian settlement (especially in Nablus and Jenin), and Israel will not be able to control it exclusively. However, regulations for the ongoing use of the aquifer will have to be agreed upon by both sides. Area no. 3: The area in which water may be pumped from the eastern basin. This aquifer today supplies abut 40 million cubic meters to the Israeli agricultural settlements in the Jordan Valley (the Palestinians pump an additional 60 million cubic meters a year). This aquifer is of lesser importance because it supplies water largely to the Palestinians, and it supplies Israel little water (primarily for agricultural purposes). Nevertheless, regulations for its use will have to be agreed upon here as well. In summary, the Yarkon-Tanninim Aquifer (area no.1) has strategic importance, and Israel must maintain exclusive control over its potential pumping areas; in the other basins (2 and 3), as well as in the cities of Qalqilia and Tulkarem, other arrangements can be determined for the supply of water in the future.
Isn't it a fact that the supplies of water Israel is taking in "large quantities" supply Palestine? maybe Hamas need to blow your pumps up since your digging into it? and not leaving enough. You seem to forget blockades, like I said above basics things to maintain it cannot even be obtained. Then all water in Palestine belongs to Palestinians? right? Then why do you attack there wells?? ie wells not in Israel.
Israel is suppplying the "palestinians." The PA according to the Oslo Accords that they agreed too, committed to not digging in those areas. I am sure the Hamas terrorists have tried. Since the Palestinians voted for them, I think Israel would then be justified in truely cutting off their water if they did that. Judea and Samaria are within Israel.
I am afraid, I would not be able to provide unbiased facts as NYJ times but you can start with the Amnesty report I am sure, that wont be an act of terrorism.. right? and would fall well within all humanitarian and international standards ?
Ah yes, Palestinians agreed to a substandard amount of water The oslo accord stated there should be co-operation in in many areas including water, the Israeli's don't look awfully co-operative nor "just". OFC you would, you hate Muslims/Arabs and anything brown, other than that your full of hatred for human rights.
if the area in question is israel then the arabs living in the area are also israeli. so why discriminate against them? it seems that you agree with what amnesty said. you just think israel has the right to do these things. this position is shared by many nations. ========================================================= another question is that if there is a cause and effect between palestanian terrorism and how israel treats palestanians in general and in particular to distribution of water in this topic. i present two graphs and was wondering if someone can show a change that shows proportionality of the two
If the source of the water is in Israel, they have no obligation to give it to the West Bank, Gaza, or any non-Israeli territory. Russia is not obligated to provide natural gas to western europe, even though they depend on it. If the water source is truly in non-Israeli territory, it is theft for them to take it and even worse for them not to allow the Palestinians sufficient quantities for a clean and civil existence. That said, maybe if the Palestinians could acknowledge Israel's right to exist and stop the daily rocket barrage, they would find Israel a less warlike and more amicable neighbor. I suspect that if the roles were reversed(Jews in the disadvantageous west bank isolation, and Palestinians with a thriving economy), the Palestinians would have wiped them off the face of the map by now. FYI, I dont cry for child molesters who catch a shiv in prison either...