Unfortunately when we say "Wife beating is wrong but the Qu'ran condones it (in certain circumstances and "lightly" so as not to leave marks) - do you not think this is wrong?" The response will always be from those who have no valid points or simply do not want to admit that they are wife beating scum; "Well, the US did _____" <---- insert almost any negative there. Easy question Muslims; do you or do you not think that wife beating is EVER acceptable, under ANY circumstances?
I agree in principal, beating your wife because she didn't cook or wash the kids etc is wrong but... Some women need to be beaten and it would be "just": http://www.batteredmen.com
like they say 'charity begins at home' so why don't you 1st check your own backyard, why don't you go and say to your govt to stop killings in Iraq, Palestine etc ? wouldn't that be a more reasonable thing to do ? with hands soaked in blood of Muslims world over, you don't have any right to complain how Muslim Women are being treated the problem with guys like you is not your kindheartedness for women, in fact your hatred for Islam and Muslims how many threads have you started to condemn the Gaza massacre or usa drone attacks on sovereign nations?
Hahahaha... Ah, I love that new just totally proved my point. New, are you scared to answer the question? Is that why you are dodging it? This is like someone asking me if I condemn the slaughter of Muslims, and me not wanting to answer stating; "Well.... Well.... How do you feel about Muslims trying to get Sharia law into Australia? HUH?" It's a joke, and a bad one at that. Also Toopac I don't think that anyone should beat their partner because they hit them - I think that beating and defending are two different things. My ex hit me, I smashed him once to make him stop them left; I'd never condone actual beating. New, will you answer the question or are you honestly that scared to voice your opinion?
I used the term "beat" because that is the term being used and to some extent it means the same thing, for instance you beat your BF Which is acceptable in terms of defence, which is my point. People who say you should never hit a woman make me cringe for 2 reasons: 1) It implies all women are fairies and no matter what they do to you they "can't touch you" lol (which is not true). 2) Woman are just as dangerous as men in many ways. Would you not beat/hit/assault a woman threatening you with a knife, gun, axe etc?
here is what an idiot expects: he goes to a hateful site, copy something and come rushing to paste it here, then ask, do you Muslims condemn wife-beating? do you think he expects a Muslim to say "No" or "Yes"? of course he does not, so why s/he is asking? he is just hoping that Muslims would feel annoyed of the so many threads he started against them, and ignore this new thread, so he can later and in a pathetic way, imply that since they did not answer, then it is true. Muslims give him some links, and other threads, in which they condemned wife-beating, and any kind of abuse, and in which they can read: and find links: Does Islam Allow Wife Beating? Islam & Wife Beating but you think they would check? of course not, lol, if they wanted to check, they they would have done so early, they keep asking, do you condemn wife-beating? still hoping Muslims will feel bored of their stupidity, hatred and would ignore them, so they can later imply that since Muslims did not answer, then it is true. this is not how to prove a point, unless of you are an idiot, then nothing would help in that case, of course Islam and Muslims do condemn wife-beating, and any kind of abuse against women, you think this would be enough? I doubt they will even read the line above, and you will find them posting again? if not in this thread, then in another thread coming soon, so I will keep this as reference, but do you yourself condemn wife-beating? do you have any idea about women getting beaten and abused in your own country? of course they do not know, because it is not interesting for them, do you condemn such statement in bible, both old and new testament: "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35) "How can a woman have anything; whatever is hers belongs to her husband? What is his is his and what is hers is also his...... Her earnings and what she may find in the streets are also his. The household articles, even the crumbs of bread on the table, are his. Should she invite a guest to her house and feed him, she would be stealing from her husband..." (San. 71a, Git. 62a) these are just few of many, let me know if you need more, you know them very well compare these and the others you know, with these from Qur'an: "And do not retain them (i.e. women) in wedlock against their will in order to hurt them. He who does such a thing indeed sins against himself. And do not take the signs of God lightly... [Qur'an 2:231] " "O YOU who have attained to faith! It is not lawful for you to [try to] become heirs of your wives [by holding onto them] against their will. [Qur'an 4:19]" "If a woman fears ill-treatment (mushuz) or indifference (i'radh) from her husband, it is not wrong if (at her initiative) the two set things peacefully to right between themselves; for, peace is best, and selfishness is ever present in human souls. But if you do good and are conscious of Him, behold, God is aware of all that you do... If the two break up, God provides everyone out of His abundance, for God is resourceful, wise." [Qur'an 4:128-130] "And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness" [Qur'an 2:228] Sayings of The Prophet pbuh: "Beat not your wives." Then Omar came to the Rasul (Muhammad) and said, "Wives have got the upper hand from hearing this." "A Muslim must not hate his wife; and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, then let him be pleased with another that is good." "Admonish your wives with kindness." " Give your wife good counsel; and if she has goodness in her, she will soon take it, and leave off idle talking; and do not beat your noble wife like a slave. " "Among my followers the best of men are those who are best to their wives, and the best of women are those who are best to their husbands. To each of such women is set down a reward equivalent to the reward of a thousand martyrs. Among my followers, again, the best of women are those who assist their husbands in their work, and love them dearly for everything, save what is a transgression of Allah's laws." "The thing which is lawful, but disliked by God, is divorce."
http://www.themuslimwoman.com/herrights/womensrights.htm OP " You Google up negative things " If you search term "Rights of Women in Islam" Rather than "How to Beat Muslim Woman" You will get much filtered, Better & Positive Results. But i think your only task is to search "Negative" The Thing is You have good habit of search negative things, Which allows you to live in your own world with peace.
Toopac, I misunderstood - a simple confusion of terminology, I think. I'm as vehement about protecting men from abuse as women, so I do not disagree with you there. imad your post raises more question about polygamy, but I wont thread hijack. World Class - you seem to think that the OP should look for sites specifically discussing the "good" things about Muslims. Why? Do you look for sites and post them here talking up the Jews? Or the "infidels"?
I realized something.. Most who try to bash Islam, comes from Western origins, where the mom (i.e. mother in case you forgot the word) is almost forgotten, when they say "women" they have an image of a sexy half naked female, whom should be treated nicely, for sure all women should be treated nicely, but sadly, most treat these women nicely because of what they hope to get from them, bed .. this is the sad image most have about women there, which made them forget that mothers are women too, they forgot, that mothers, are also women, who should be treated nicely, always, especially when they get old, when they need to be close to their kids most, if you have an old mom, or father, remember them, and visit them, keep them close, and be kind to them, show them that love you often speak about, as they too should have a share, not just those "sexy women" in your mind, it is better than spreading hate, remember them not only in mothers days, as every day in the year, is a mothers day, it will do you better than blowing your hate against Muslims, who associate being kind to parents, especially moms, with obeying God, again, compare this from bible: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he can not be my disciple" (Luke 14:26). with this from Qur'an: "Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, And that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, Say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, But address them in terms of honor. And out of kindness, Lower to them the wing of humility, and say: 'My Lord! bestow on them Your Mercy as they Cherished me in childhood' " [Qur'an 17:23-24]. "A man asked the Prophet: 'Whom should I honor most?' The Prophet replied: 'Your mother'. 'And who comes next?' asked the man. The Prophet replied: 'Your mother'. 'And who comes next?' asked the man. The Prophet replied: 'Your mother!'. 'And who comes next?' asked the man. The Prophet replied: 'Your father'"
i dont wanted to talk on this because i earlier say DP is not a place to talk about politics..but anyway CMike111 I wonder to see "Nothing to do with this topic." .... i would quote an other interesting fact.... i seen the movie Rambo 3... in which and everybody seen Silver staloon ...look so interested in helping the taliban. and afghan warriors. and they are shown a hero...with silver staloon..Because for interest of a country. Suddenly they became terrorist..and no they are not hero anymore, there is no one who can shoot the movie rambo3, Neither US have rivalry with Russia, Neither Talibans are hero anymore lols... Because those hero Taliban are Villan of today? i think they were never right and were always villan??? why they were made hero by USA..and helped by money and weapons to Taliban to kill the Russians. wow .... i have nothing to say more.. i dont support taliban and hate them because they are burning my country. Pakistan. but i condemned the dual behaviors... the peoples being happy for the killings of innocent Muslims, look so strange asking questions like "why beating a women in Islam" This question is based on fake...lame excuse......... and no book or anywhere it is written and never it is allow to beat a woman in Islam. i wonder on such peoples, they are educated ..yet so uneducated.. 3 days before i have lost my Best Friend "Bilal" a computer programmer in the blast of peshawar .he was there for studies and he reached that spot by his bad luck to search a "computer magzine" and also for shopping in bazar...."Small kids and womens were main victim of that blast" 117 peoples lost there life till today 200 injured.. maybe so many still playing fight of death and life .. http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...tropolitan/04-explosion-heard-peshawar-qs-04+ i am stun to see the coolness of western media..they have never published the news... Because i don't know why. the question is "if Taliban are Muslim?.. Why they kill Muslims, is it not another element involved there? or if is it really talibans. why they can,t blast in other countries why only in Muslims countries..???i don't believe those peoples are Muslim. I again say i love all religions. and Islam is religion of peace thats why growing so fast that it worries the dual behavioral peoples..
My friend even bad thing is that. i had a small qurall with my friend bilal. Wish i could say him sorry too..but he is not alive to listen my sorry. i still don't believe that he is dead, i keep listening daily news on TV about peoples dieing in blasts. But i felt the pain when i lost my own one. He use to teach me Manual Php,and today if i know Wordpress It is all Bilal's credit, He taught me this stuff and I feel so sad on his lose.
Yanno...I would be ready to give you muslims in this forum the benefit of the doubt that Islam doesn't promote wife beatings despite the passages from the Koran that I posted. However, if you want others to respect your religion, then you should respect others. If you are going to malign and distort the jewish written law and oral law (the Talmud) and constantly malign the jewish homeland of Israel, then don't complain when your religion isn't treated respectfully. I wish the moderators would do the job of keeping civility in this forum, but they don't. I'll make a deal with you (generic you) be respectfully to my religion and the jewish homeland, and I will be respectfull to your religion. Israel is part of just about every jewish prayer and is a central part of the religion. Do the opposite and you will get the same back. I would much rather this forum be positive and not negative. I think there are many principles all three major religions share.
Thanks for admitting that your the purpose of your thread was just crap propaganda and nothing else so now you want to bribe others to keep silent on the crimes that isreal commits! how cheap of you! that itself speaks of your mentality and the worth attached to any posts that you make
i.e. if he considers isreal as his religion otherwise, be it Jesus or Moses Muslims respect all the Prophets Sent by Allah and believe in all the Holy Books