THIS is why we're at war.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chulium, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #121

    Actually that was Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and a whole host of democrats dating back to the early 90's.
     
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  2. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #122
    Is this good?

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  3. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #123
    please post a link

    Crips and bloods kill more people then MOSTof those clowns, should we invade LA

    Damn if thats a basis to invade we better start invading every country in mid-east

    Can you guys actually come up with one example of an attack? Or did these guys just get hotel rooms in Iraq.

    So how many terrorist groups are in Iraq now has the number the gone down or up?
     
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  4. Rick_Michael

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    #124
    Now that wasn't the point of your question or assertion was it? You said it didn't exist....were you wrong?

    I personally don't agree with the war...so the comments above have no real meaning to this discussion.
     
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  5. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #125
    *Remeber not reasoning of war, just shows how scummy Saddam was/is.


    “President Saddam Hussein has recently told the head of the Palestinian political office, Faroq al-Kaddoumi, his decision to raise the sum granted to each family of the martyrs of the Palestinian uprising to $25,000 instead of $10,000,” Aziz, announced at a Baghdad meeting of Arab politicians and businessmen on March 11, 2002, Reuters reported the next day.8


    The following check was a “President Saddam Hussein’s Grant” paid via the Palestine Investment Bank. These funds were transferred on June 23, 2002.

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  6. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #126
    I didn't say they didn't exist I knew there where training camps in kurdish areas

    You know what is sort of funny if you look at the total killed by all those groups altogather, more die in Iraq now every 10 days

    Where are those totals of the people saddam killed, how long before we beat his numbers?
     
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  7. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #127
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  8. Rick_Michael

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    #128
    Actually our sanction killed far more people in a year than will ever do in this war....ever. Although I never hear anyone hate on Clinton for that, even though he kept it going for so long.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #129
    maybe its because clinton hasn't been the president in awhile
     
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  10. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #130
    You're just mad the CIA knows more than you do and you can't handle that :p

    Uhhh that's the point. Instead of a coward as President who is only concerned about his political rating (you could see that pattern in Kerry too)... we're all a little relieved he can't be President again ;)
     
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  11. Rick_Michael

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    #131

    Didn't hear much of it then, either. Dems like to demonize Bush, fine....demonize Clinton as well. I've yet to hear one dem denounce those actions....

    Sadly.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #132
    Denial is a hard thing to overcome. Give them some slack.... ;)
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #133
    maybe we should start talking about Lyndon Johnson or maybe nixon?
     
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    #134
    Or even Lincoln. Hell, I can link Lincoln rise to power to the modern liberal philosophy, which essentially came from lincoln destruction of former libertarian-like democrats at the time and the influx of eastern europe philosophy into America (due to the vaccuum of thought).

    Ignoring history only dooms us to repeat it. The best of dems will admit Clinton compliments the Bush adminstration (in that his overtly weak stance on national security creates a vaccum of necessary action). He gave Bush a solid platform to maintain his power ie pursposeful had the opportunity to take Bin in, but he didn't (numerous times). He maintained the sanctions, which directly implied the Oil for food program...which had infamous loopholes in it, some even flowing to heavily friendly Al-queda banks.....don't worry it's only a couple billion. Enough for a nuke...maybe?

    The only reason dems have any power is 65 legislation on immigration. That's the sad history of it...the dems are an anti-party built on chain immigration. Their out of touch leftist views are only prevalent due to how many votes the can bring in from leftist countries, not on the merit of their reasoning. I'd like a more moderate/sane democratic party to exist, but the genuiely reasoned minds are being marginalized by this current cultural trend. And that my friend is history...which is more important than what's just happening today.
     
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  15. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #135
    The fact that you had to say AND in caps like it was some big AH HAH, means you know in your conservative little heart what that means. It means you know damn we'll the war against the terrorists who attacked us should be in Afghanistan where it belongs.

    Think about it for a second... let's say in plain terms exactly what we did so there is no mistaking the facts.

    - We invaded a sovereign nation (dictator or not, they were).
    - We overthrew their government.
    - Threw the ruler of it in prison.
    - Then installed a government in our own image.

    And we flat out got away with it :D

    If China had done that and made Iraq a communist state you would be up in arms! It would have been WWIII. George Bush's administration (referred to herein as G-G-G-G-G G-Unit!) told you it was for WMDs and when that fell apart anyone that asked WTF immediately became a liberal cut and run coward. I gotta give respect where respect is due, Karl Rove is the ultimate spin doctor. The man has skills... respect.

    Cmon don't make it so easy. All I read was "but if" and "why not here". That's hardly a rebuttal to what I said which basically begged the question... did Iraq attack us?

    Please help your party by showing your proof that in 2001 the only thing stopping Iraq from having the capability to attack us with true WMDs was their lack of a delivery system.
    A) No, i think they did make your points seem pretty ridiculous.

    B) The only terrorists we're destroying in Iraq are the ones we created by being there in the first place.
    OK I get it, this was a joke. You're retarded......
    You were talking about how we were freeing millions of people in Iraq and being just jolly good neighbors. I pointed out that shit has been hitting the fan in Africa since well before 9/11 and we someonehow missed that. So we should help the Iraqi people and no one else because they're not a threat? .... or because we went in and f*cked their country up and we know it so now we've gotta clean it up. And before you give me the usual party line dribble about how their country wasn't so good in the first place be sure to provide some numbers...... As in how many innocent Iraqis have been killed or mamed in the years we've been there as compared to say 10 years of Saddam rule.
     
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  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #136
    Which party would that be?
     
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  17. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #137
    As requested.

    Anything else, skipper?
     
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  18. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #138
    Well my you're the fastest propoganda researcher I've ever seen. Congrats. Only that article doesn't actually prove anything or even give the numbers of both sides as I requested....

    Yes my friend, you have failed. Oopsies!

    And save the skipper for those that wear tight bell-bottoms. - HOOAH!
     
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  19. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #139
    I didn't think you could deal with the truth. Gave that up last year, eh?

    Well, Matt's not here right now, so you had to do ;)
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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