Bill Moyers talks with Justice Richard Goldstone

i saw him on pbs. i thought people might be interested to see what he has to say first hand
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10232009/watch.html

 

A south african Jew, a Zionist himself, a man with great experience puts together a HUGE report, finds that Israel and Hamas purposefully targetted civillians and comitted war crimes, but Israel to a much larger extent.

Yet people still try to defend Israel. INCREDIBLE.

You know what's funny? This guy has one of the best CV's in the world, but you still get internet bums like browntwn and chaos trivia thinking they know more than him, lol!

 

I can understand all the noise around Goldstone report, it is not new, what is new is that this might be the first time somebody seriously investigate Israeli practices, and expose them to the Western world who pretend to be shocked (as if it was the first time they hear about the criminal nature of Israel), and in a way that can't be denied, or twisted, or excused,

while people in the region know that this is the same Israel which they knew since the very beginning, person should keep in mind that this what been happening, since even before the establishment of the illegal state of Israel, particularly since the waves of illegal Jews immigrants started to come to Palestine, and act with cruelty and hostile,

add Goldstone voice to Einistein voice on December 4th, 1948, when he and others warned of Zionism Fascism in Israel,

and even before that, when Ahad Ha'am, another Jewish and Zionist who warned very early, against the practices of the illegal Jewish immigrants then, in 1914, when he said:

what has been changed since then? nothing, Palestinians will never give up their rights.

Crimes, massacres, exile, puppet leaders, oppression, humiliating, blaming the victim, terrorizing, hunger, torture, propaganda, assassinations, deceiving, pretending to want peace and negotiate while building illegal settlements, and more, all these methods been used by Israel since very long, none of them succeeded in making Palestinians leave their own land, except those who been forced to leave, and none of them also made any Palestinian anywhere forget his right of return,

those terrorist, and lunatic murderers in Israel, whom call themselves Government, should know, that even their own citizens are sick of their practices, and their tries to mislead the world with lies and propaganda,



Rattling the Cage: Our exclusive right to self-defense


The deaths of Palestinian kids and sense

 

without being present during the actions and without speaking with a single Israeli?
How can he tell truth from fiction?
The palestinians are known to be always very accurate and never tell fiction
Arab standards of "serious investigations"....

p.s. pizzaman, did pallywood made it to the cinemas in the US yet?

 

and here, we can see Chaos trying to imply that Goldstone and his team mission was only to hear what Palestinians say, then go back to repeat it in UN like parrots, and that the investigation was actually done by Arabs not Goldstone,

Pallywood? lol .. well, whatever..

 

But Imad. We discussed that already. Anything new have come up? if not, go back to my post. I am not 10 years old and I will not repeat it.

But you can cheer yourself.
Your nation is stuck for centuries in the late middle ages. with kings honor killings etc'
You are stuck only a month...

What do you think on the pallywood video, about the sources of your knowledge for the conflict.
especially the guy firing into the empty building? or the doctor who tells the father what to say to the camera?

 

he answers a lot of questions. did anyone of you watch it?

 

what do you say about Goldstone report, the topic of this thread? are you saying Goldstone faked it? not real? based on only Palestinians witnesses? how can you explain that it does not contradict other independent organizations reports about the same period, and does not contradict with testimonies that been made by IOF members, and by foreign peace activists there?

Palestinians been able to fool all these professionals in this field, is this what are you trying to say?

 

I think there is too much bombing retailiation instead of commando incursion into civilian populations, like the Goldstone implied.

Your not going to get an attacker that breaks into a civilian house, lauches a rocket and runs by bombing the house.

 

pizzaman: yup, I saw the interview. It seems that Goldstone really believes his own bullshit. Sad story.

This is what I say:

Or, in other words, the stories of the Goldstone report is another pallywood.
But Goldstone promised in the interview that it was not Hamas who determined who will see Goldstone and who won't LOL I mean, he promised.

 

Believes his own BS? then Pallywood? make up your mind!

is it his own BS or Pallywood?

 

@chaos. help me understand you correctly here
so you believe that these things that goldstone mentioned are indeed war crimes but it did not happened and pslestanians lied to him?

 

I can't know what happened. neither can you. nor can Goldstone.

And frankly? It doesn't matter: before Dec 2008 southern Israel suffered 10 rockets a day for 4 long years after Hamas ceised power, and 3 a day before Hamas ceised power. Now, there are no rockets. This is only what matters to me.


Have a read:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=12539394&postcount=28
And Also (if you really have time):
https://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terroris...ial-response-goldstone-report-24-Sep-2009.htm

 

indeed i do not know. and i believe that you do not know either. but why do you think goldstone does not know? and do you think an investigation should be conducted so you can find out?
i would also like to point out that he is talking about war crimes. it means crimes committed in the conduct of the war, so the hostility of the other side is already considered.

 

I recommended you to have a read, two sources. I assume you didn't. I suggest again that you would.

Anyway, whats up with Iran? You were already very contented to see how everything is solved in a peaceful manner... but it seems that the Iranis have other plans, eh? they are now taking more time.
And they will play more tricks and more time and more tricks, but they will not give up the bomb.

 

i think they are going to agree,but we have to wait and see. the iranian govt is only interested in self preservation. i believe at this time this deal provides them with the best chance, and they know it. the key to the future is to find a way to make it a win win situation for them and the rest of the world.

i just took a quick look at the link. i agree that hamas is a terrorist organization and as such it is sanctioned by the world. and isolated. but israel is not, israel is supported in many many ways and that is because people believe that is on the right side. if you walk to the dark side you can lose a lot of support in the world. so the question is back to you. as a citizen of a democracy, why don't you want to know what happened. and why don't you care if your government made bad choices?
your govt is accused of crimes against humanity. that is no small charge

 

I suggest you read my post, and then the official Israeli response. The answers to your questions are there.

But anyway:

I do know everything important that happened, which is:
The Israeli citizens were under bombardment for several years. No other country would have suffered so many bombardments for such a long time without actually doing something about it.
In these 8 long years there were no "fact finding missions" from the UN. Nobody cared.
So Israel did what it had to do.
If stopping the rockets actually required 700 or 900 or 1100 dead bodies instead of 1300, that doesn't matter much. And If you say that you would care if your house were under bombardment: I don't believe you.
The blood of the Palestinian children are in the hands of the Hamas, they forced Israel to fight them in the world's most densly populated area, we in Israel have better things to do than to chase terrorists hiding within civilian population but something the dirty work has to be done.

Mission was accomplished.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3754433,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3739071,00.html
That is all that matters.

 

And this is it in a nutshell.

 

it is a very dishonest thing to say nothing happened. the world has put hamas on the terrorist list[why if not because of the attacks on israel] nobody is allowed to help them, and almost nobody objects to the blockade. in US we have closed organizations that were sending them money. egypt is helping with stopping the smuggling of arms in gaza. arab countries do not send them money. just look at the situation with an open eye. nobody investigated because the world took your word for it. it went directly to punishment

and again these are war crimes. it means that you can not do somethings even at the time of war. if we can not trust you to see this, i am just lost for words.

 

I trust my countrymen that the lost of life amongst civilians was reduced to the minimum.
I served 6 years in the IDF and I know that this is true. If there was one two or maybe three exceptions, this is inevitable. A commander in the battleground has always tough decisions to make. even if some decisions were wrong, this still does not make him a criminal.

I repeat: the blood of the Palestinian victims is in the hands of the Hamas.
It was up to the Hamas's leadership to decide if they want cast lead or not, they said "yes, very much", and this is what they got.

And Goldstone, its a joke, he has absolutely no chance what so ever to really know what happened. He can't even get close to the truth.