What is the one true religion

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  1. hashen27

    hashen27 Active Member

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    #21
    The Quran also contradicts itself.

    I one part "Do no harm to others" or something to that effect.

    In another "Kill all who oppose us"

    Now i ain't saying that Muslims are bad people. I know some very nice ones. I am just saying when a religion contradicts itself so greatly - Is it still the truth you believe?
     
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    #22
    From the Bible of course. :)
     
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    #23
    This thread should be closed beacuse it this is not realy a debate. It is just insulting other religions and saying that my religion is da best.
     
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    #24
    It's like a bunch of kids arguing over which super hero has the best super powers.
     
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    #25
    No it doesn't. If you read the whole verse, you will understand what is the story about. But if you take the verses out of context, of course it will contradicts it self. Any small kid knows that.
     
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    #26
    No matter how much debate there is, it does not matter. God will do what he has to do and there is nothing that will prevent him from doing it. It's up to us as individuals to find out what he is going to do and to whom it will affect.
     
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    #27
    I agree with you 100000%
     
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    #28
    Why don't we say. Why don't we close all those religions that incite violance against other religions?
    dsp
    How come everyone is picking on one religion only?
     
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    #29
    I think im the one true religion.
     
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    #30
    That's an interesting comment. The Bible points out that God will soon "turn" the hearts of the United Nations against False Religion. In other words, the United Nations will collectively ban ALL religion world-wide and it will come out of the blue and suddenly.

    A lot of people are already thinking this. When it happens, it will be yet another Bible prophecy fulfilled (Thankfully!).

    Col :)
     
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    #31
    My suggestion is for you to pray, "God if you exist, please lead me to you. I cannot believe just to believe, but only if you are true, but if you are true, I will follow you wherever you leave me." Do that once every day. God has a way of leading people to Him, if you just let Him.
     
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    #32
    WOW, what version of the Bible do you have. I never remember the UN being mentioned in the Bible. Interesting interpretation, that you think analyze the Bible as calling Christianity, and all other religions as false. Perhaps, you are reading a very poor translation.
     
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    #33
    It is the JW (Jehovah Witness) version. But I still don't think it says UN, but that is a common view of the end times. (I wouldn't be suprised if the JW rewrote certain words to mean UN though, that is there form of publishing.)
     
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    #34
    Telling a person who doesn't believe in God to pray to God is like me telling you to go to McDonalds and order a chicken burger then take it home and pray to it every day and watch for signs.

    Oh mighty chicken burger! I pray to thee, I don't believe you have the power to control my life but if you just guide me and show me the way I will believe!


    I'm being funny here but at the same time trying to put it in perspective for you. People who blindly believe in something are a little harder to convince to look at something from other's perspective. :rolleyes:
     
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    #35
    I am a catholic so the answer is the catholic religion.

    Especially Jesus words in the New Testemant. "Do what you want others to do to you"
     
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    #36
    its nice when people ask such questions.. it show how interested they are into finding what Islam stands for.

    my dear friend islam is derived from the arabic word 'salaam' which means "peace".

    you are very right in quoting both the verses from the quran, they are true but they are out of context.

    "kill all who oppose you" it actually is "kill the non-believers" and it is said when the muslim army and the army of the non-believers were head to head in a battle. No army general would tell his army to surrender in front of there enemies.

    Allah(God) says that "kill the non believers who have come to kill you" and has been said in a battle. This verse is better understood if you are an educated hindu, in chapter 2 of bhagwat gita Shri Krishna tells Aruna to fight against his own cousins, it would wrong of me if i quote that shri krishna says kill you cousins, but what he says is that fight against non-believers, falsehood even if they are your own. Same has been said by ALLAH(GOD) to the muslims in that battle, which took 1400 years ago.

    who would say 'be killed by the people who have come to kill you' instead in the next chapter, chapter 6, ALLAH(God) says if they dont fight with you and surrender, escort them to a place of safety. I have not seen a single verse in any religion which says that escort you enemy to safety instead the most generous of modern army generals would say leave them , let the enemy go but would not take the enemy to a place of safety but ALLAH orders the muslims to take them to safety.

    you are also true when you quote from the Holy Quran ""Do no do harm to others and if you do you are harming the entire human race" this is in context to not only muslims but this message is for people from other faiths too.

    Quran is not contradictory, it explains to human kind the art of living. It is a peace loving religion and teaches the various ways to survive with pride and dignity in this world.
     
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    #37
    cool then
    Hadith 4.92 means what?:

    It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless ( it be ) by mistake . He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave , and pay the blood money to the family of the slain , unless they remit it as a charity . If he ( the victim ) be of a people hostile unto you , and he is a believer , then ( the penance is ) to set free a believing slave . And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant , then the blood money must be paid unto his folk and ( also ) a believing slave must be set free . And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months . A penance from Allah . Allah is Knower , Wise .


    It's ok to kill someone as long as he is not a Muslim.
     
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    #38
    Where in the text it says that?!!!! Can you explain that?:confused:
     
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    #39
    It's all in the book of Revelation. But to interpret it correctly it is probably best you read this:

    Flight to Safety Before the “Great Tribulation”

    “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, . . . let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.”—LUKE 21:20, 21.

    FOR all who are part of Satan’s world, flight is urgent. If they are to be spared when the present system of things is wiped off the earth, they must give convincing evidence that they have taken their stand firmly on Jehovah’s side and are no longer part of the world of which Satan is ruler.—James 4:4; 1 John 2:17.

    2 In his great prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system of things, Jesus emphasized the vital need for such flight. We frequently discuss what is recorded at Matthew 24:4-14; yet, what follows it is no less important. We encourage you to open your Bible now and read verses 15 to 22.

    3 What does that prophecy mean? In the first century, what was “the disgusting thing that causes desolation”? What did its being “in a holy place” portend? Of what significance is that development to us?

    “Let the Reader Use Discernment”

    4 Notice at Matthew 24:15 that Jesus referred to what was written in the book of Daniel. In chapter 9 of that book is a prophecy that foretold the coming of Messiah and the judgment that would be executed on the Jewish nation for rejecting him. The latter part of verse 27 says: “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation.” Early Jewish tradition applied that part of Daniel’s prophecy to the profaning of Jehovah’s temple in Jerusalem by Antiochus IV in the second century B.C.E. But Jesus cautioned: “Let the reader use discernment.” The desecration of the temple by Antiochus IV, though certainly disgusting, did not result in desolation—of Jerusalem, of the temple, or of the Jewish nation. So Jesus was evidently cautioning his hearers that fulfillment of this was not in the past but was yet future.

    5 What was “the disgusting thing” for which they were to be on the lookout? It is noteworthy that Matthew’s account says: “When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation . . . standing in a holy place.” However, the parallel account at Luke 21:20 reads: “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.” In 66 C.E., Christians living in Jerusalem did see what Jesus had foretold. A series of incidents involving conflict between the Jews and Roman officials led to Jerusalem’s becoming a hotbed of rebellion against Rome. As a result, violence flared up throughout Judea, Samaria, Galilee, the Decapolis, and Phoenicia, north into Syria, and south into Egypt. In order to restore a measure of peace to that part of the Roman Empire, Cestius Gallus rushed military forces from Syria to Jerusalem, which the Jews spoke of as their “holy city.”—Nehemiah 11:1; Isaiah 52:1.

    6 It was customary for the Roman legions to carry standards, or ensigns, which they viewed as sacred but which the Jews viewed as idolatrous. Interestingly, the Hebrew word translated “disgusting thing” in the book of Daniel is used principally of idols and idolatry. (Deuteronomy 29:17) In spite of resistance by the Jews, the Roman forces bearing their idolatrous ensigns penetrated into Jerusalem in November of 66 C.E. and then started to undermine the temple wall on the north. There was no doubt about it—a “disgusting thing” that could cause complete desolation to Jerusalem was “standing in a holy place”! But how could anyone flee?

    Flight Was Urgent!

    7 Suddenly and for no apparent reason from a human standpoint, when it seemed that Jerusalem could be easily taken, the Roman army withdrew. The Jewish insurgents pursued the retreating Roman troops but only as far as Antipatris, some 30 miles [50 km] from Jerusalem. They then turned back. On arrival in Jerusalem, they assembled in the temple to map out their further war strategy. Youths were recruited to strengthen fortifications and to serve in the military. Would the Christians get caught up in this? Even if they avoided it, would they still be in the danger zone when the Roman armies returned?

    8 Christians in Jerusalem and in all Judea soon acted on the prophetic warning given by Jesus Christ and fled out of the danger zone. Flight was urgent! In time they made their way into the mountainous regions, with some possibly settling in Pella, in the province of Perea. Those who took to heart Jesus’ warning did not foolishly turn back to try to save their material possessions. (Compare Luke 14:33.) Leaving under those circumstances, pregnant women and nursing mothers surely found it a difficult trip to make on foot. Their flight was not hindered by restrictions of the Sabbath day, and though winter was near, it had not yet arrived. Those who had heeded Jesus’ warning to flee quickly were soon safely outside of Jerusalem and Judea. Their lives depended on this.—Compare James 3:17.

    9 The very next year, in 67 C.E., the Romans renewed war operations against the Jews. First, Galilee was subdued. The following year, Judea was dismembered. By 70 C.E., the Roman forces encircled Jerusalem itself. (Luke 19:43) Famine became extremely severe. Those trapped in the city turned on one another. Any who tried to escape were slaughtered. What they experienced was, as Jesus had said, “great tribulation.”—Matthew 24:21.

    10 Did that fully satisfy what Jesus had foretold? No, more was to come. If, as Jesus advised, we read the Scriptures with discernment, we will not fail to take note of what is yet ahead. We will also think seriously about its implications in our own lives.

    Modern-Day “Disgusting Thing”

    11 Note that, in addition to what we have seen at Daniel 9:27, there are, at Daniel 11:31 and 12:11, further references to “the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.” In neither of these latter instances is the destruction of Jerusalem being discussed. In fact, what is said at Daniel 12:11 appears just two verses after a reference to “the time of the end.” (Daniel 12:9) We have been living in such a time period since 1914. So we need to be alert to identify the modern-day “disgusting thing that is causing desolation” and then to be sure that we get out of the danger zone.

    12 What is that modern-day “disgusting thing”? The evidence points to the League of Nations, which went into operation in 1920, shortly after the world entered its time of the end. But how could that be a “disgusting thing that causes desolation”?

    13 Remember, the Hebrew word for “disgusting thing” is used in the Bible principally with reference to idols and idolatrous practices. Was the League idolized? Indeed it was! The clergy put it “in a holy place,” and their followers proceeded to give it passionate devotion. The Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America declared that the League would be “the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth.” The U.S. Senate received an avalanche of mail from religious groups urging it to ratify the Covenant of the League of Nations. The general body of Baptists, Congregationalists, and Presbyterians in Britain lauded it as “the only available instrument for attaining [peace on earth].”—See Revelation 13:14, 15.

    14 The Messianic Kingdom of God had been established in the heavens in 1914, but the nations proceeded to fight for their own sovereignty. (Psalm 2:1-6) When the League of Nations was proposed, the nations that had just fought in the first world war, as well as the clergy who had blessed their troops, had already demonstrated that they had forsaken the law of God. They were not looking to Christ as King. Thus they assigned to a human organization the role of the Kingdom of God; they put the League of Nations “in a holy place,” a place where it did not belong.

    15 As a successor to the League, the United Nations came into being on October 24, 1945. Later, the popes of Rome hailed the United Nations as “the ultimate hope for harmony and peace” and “the supreme forum of peace and justice.” Yes, the League of Nations, along with its successor, the United Nations, truly became an idol, a “disgusting thing” in the sight of God and of his people.

    Flee From What?

    16 On ‘catching sight’ of this, on recognizing what that international organization is and how it is being idolized, lovers of righteousness need to flee to safety. Flee out of what? Out of that which is the modern-day antitype of unfaithful Jerusalem, namely, Christendom, and out of all of Babylon the Great, the worldwide system of false religion.—Revelation 18:4.

    17 Remember, too, that in the first century, when the Roman army with its idolatrous standards made its way into the holy city of the Jews, it was there to bring desolation to Jerusalem and its system of worship. In our day the desolation is going to come, not merely upon one city, nor only upon Christendom, but upon the entire worldwide system of false religion.—Revelation 18:5-8.

    18 At Revelation 17:16, it is foretold that a figurative scarlet-colored wild beast, which has proved to be the United Nations, will turn on harlotlike Babylon the Great and violently destroy her. Using graphic language, it says: “The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” What this will mean is awesome to contemplate. It will result in the end of false religion of every kind in all parts of the earth. This will indeed show that the great tribulation has begun.

    19 It is noteworthy that since the United Nations began operations in 1945, atheistic, antireligion elements have been prominent in its membership. At various times all over the world, such radical elements have been instrumental in having religious practices either severely restricted or completely banned. In the past few years, however, there has been a letup in many places in government pressure on religious groups. To some people it may seem that any danger to religion is gone.

    20 The religions of Babylon the Great continue to be a violently disruptive force in the world. News headlines frequently identify warring factions and terrorist groups by naming the religion that they espouse. Riot police and soldiers have had to force their way into temples to stop violence between rival religious factions. Religious bodies have financed political revolution. Religious hatred has frustrated efforts by the United Nations to maintain stable relations between ethnic groups. In pursuing the goal of peace and security, elements within the United Nations would like to see the elimination of any religious influence that stands in their way.

    21 There is also another important factor to consider. Although the militarized horns from within the United Nations will be used to destroy Babylon the Great, that destruction will really be an expression of divine judgment. The execution of judgment will come at God’s appointed time. (Revelation 17:17) What should we do in the meantime? “Get out of her”—get out of Babylon the Great—the Bible answers.—Revelation 18:4.

    22 This flight to safety is not a geographic move, such as Jewish Christians made when abandoning Jerusalem. It is a flight out of the religions of Christendom, yes, out of any part of Babylon the Great. It means completely separating oneself not only from false religious organizations but also from their customs and the spirit they engender. It is a flight to the place of safety within Jehovah’s theocratic organization.—Ephesians 5:7-11.

    23 When Jehovah’s anointed servants first identified the modern-day disgusting thing, the League of Nations, after World War I, how did the Witnesses react? They had already severed their memberships with the churches of Christendom. But they gradually realized that they were still clinging to some of Christendom’s customs and practices, such as the use of the cross and the celebration of Christmas and other pagan holidays. When they learned the truth about these things, they acted promptly. They took to heart the counsel at Isaiah 52:11: “Turn away, turn away, get out of there, touch nothing unclean; get out from the midst of her, keep yourselves clean, you who are carrying the utensils of Jehovah.”

    24 Especially from 1935 on, a growing crowd of others, people who embraced the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth, began to take similar action. They too have ‘caught sight of the disgusting thing standing in a holy place,’ and they recognize what it means. After making their decision to flee, they have had their names removed from membership rolls of organizations that are part of Babylon the Great.—2 Corinthians 6:14-17.

    25 However, fleeing out of Babylon the Great involves much more than abandoning false religion. There is more to it than attending a few meetings at a Kingdom Hall or going out preaching the good news in field service once or twice a month. A person may be physically outside of Babylon the Great, but has he truly left it behind? Has he separated himself from the world of which Babylon the Great is a prominent part? Does he still cling to those things that reflect its spirit—a spirit that flouts God’s righteous standards? Is he treating sexual morality and marital faithfulness lightly? Does he emphasize personal and material interests more than spiritual interests? He must not allow himself to be fashioned after this system of things.—Matthew 6:24; 1 Peter 4:3, 4.

    Let Nothing Impede Your Flight!


    26 In our flight to safety, it is imperative that we do not look longingly at the things behind. (Luke 9:62) We need to keep our minds and hearts fixed firmly on God’s Kingdom and his righteousness. Are we determined to demonstrate our faith by seeking these first, with confidence that Jehovah will bless such a faithful course? (Matthew 6:31-33) Our Scripturally based convictions should incite us to that end as we eagerly await the unfolding of significant developments on the world scene.

    27 The execution of divine judgment will start with the destruction of Babylon the Great. That harlotlike empire of false religion will be forever blotted out of existence. That time is very near! What will be our position as individuals when that momentous time arrives? And at the climax of the great tribulation, when the rest of Satan’s wicked system is destroyed, on which side will we be found? If we take the needed action now, our safety is ensured. Jehovah tells us: “As for the one listening to me, he will reside in security.” (Proverbs 1:33) By continuing to serve Jehovah loyally and joyfully during this system’s conclusion, we may qualify to serve Jehovah forever.
     
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    #40
    are you stupid? It says that it's a sin to kill a believer. It doesn't say it's a sin to kill a human being.
     
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