Internet is hopeless for newcomers

Discussion in 'General Business' started by clades, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. #1
    Why? Well, even if a newcomer has an interesting idea the rich companies will use that idea and steal all the traffic in a blink of an eye and the newcomer will have to close its stuff because it will be dead in the shadow of the biggies that used his idea just because they're rich and powerful and can step in anyone...

    Honestly starting anything in todays web is being dumb, its nothing like a trap where the ordinary users feed the big companies... once there was a word for that....ah...exploration...slavery....
     
    clades, Oct 16, 2009 IP
  2. Steve Powers

    Steve Powers Peon

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    #2
    wow,why do you come up with this thought?Your company just shut down for the strong competitors?Actually,
    I don't stand on the same point with you.Internet is a big cake,no one can eat it alone.I prefer to think that all
    the business make the cake bigger and bigger,and then everyone has some part to eat.That's why some fields
    are perfectly competitive.
     
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  3. clades

    clades Peon

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    #3
    muahahahha.... the worst blind people are the ones that are not aware of it ;)
     
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  4. mentos

    mentos Prominent Member

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    #4
    I do agree with it.
    That why the patent law come to work.
    When you have unique idea,you should patent it,then if any big company want to use your idea,then they need to pay you renting fee.
     
    mentos, Oct 16, 2009 IP
  5. omarabid

    omarabid Well-Known Member

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    #5
    they need to protect their ideas... don't be so pessimistic
     
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  6. wallsinn

    wallsinn Peon

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    newcomer has facing so much difficulties and it is now next to impossible to start a new business on net because there is having so much competition here
     
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  7. Maxso

    Maxso Peon

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    It seems you are having a bad day. Although I can see what you mean and sort of partially agrea with you, there are plenty more spaces to fill im pritty sure that the next big thing in 10 years is being created by some amature right this moment.
     
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  8. AstarothSolutions

    AstarothSolutions Peon

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    Ahh, how little you understand big companies.... Small company/ sole trader wants to launch a new website, they get local developer to make it and launch it within 3 months on a $5000 budget. Corporate comes up with an idea, coporate IT estimate $500,000 and 6 month development but not only that but you probably have another 6 months of red tape to cut through with budgeting, change control, steering groups, committees etc.

    Target a niche worth $10,000 a month in profit, then $120,000 a year profit is a nice business for a sole trader but with a corporate not making payback until year 5 (even with low interest rates in the NPV calculation) then its business case will never stack up against the marketing department which knows that it has a 2:3 ROI ratio and so for the $500,000 extra RevEx they will bring in an additional $750,000 year 1 profit.

    You cannot go up against eBay or PayPal, you can target small niches that are either too specialist for big players, or potentially even better, use the quicker speed to market, get your 1-2 years clear space and then sell to the coporates as their typically risk adverse approach is much happier buying a known quantity at an over stretched price than risk the unknown of building from scratch.
     
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  9. Pixelrage

    Pixelrage Peon

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    That doesn't make much sense. If you have a great idea, you're probably also smart enough to get a registered trademark/copyright/patent on it, as well as start an official business and find an investor. It happens every week.
     
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  10. ContentProvider

    ContentProvider Peon

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    There will always be copycats. The best thing you can do to protect your idea (beyond a patent or copyright) is to build a stellar reputation and a loyal following.
     
    ContentProvider, Oct 16, 2009 IP
  11. YugoSlavac

    YugoSlavac Well-Known Member

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    I guess your mother kicked you out of the basement? We don't tolerate arrogant people like you, so please leave.
     
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    tensmar Peon

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    - I would research and build websites on niches that are not over crowded (but still have profit potential), and then create your own community (who will be loyal to You).
     
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  13. clades

    clades Peon

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    @YugoSlavac: Calm down and go change your diaper...
     
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  14. slidetheweb

    slidetheweb Peon

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    #14
    Nice advice on the patenting but its a big world and world wide patenting (if even possible for your concept) requires over 130.000 USD i found out. Thats a big chunk out of the development budget right there. Or did anyone find a nice workaround for this proprietary issue ?
     
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    #15
    I don't think that you can jump into *anything* (business, sector, whatever) and expect to know everything, understand everything, and then become profitable right away.

    Any endeavor takes patience and education. You need to learn about the sector/market you're trying to compete in.
     
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  16. hostmilitia

    hostmilitia Peon

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    #16
    There's definitely enough room for everyone to get their piece of the internet pie. It's just a matter of who is going to have the drive and ambition to continue trying until they find their niche. Once you find what you REALLY want to do, the rest is just implementing a plan. Execution of that plan is the obstacle for most.

    It's easy to give in to negative thinking patterns but honestly you just have to keep trying, keep building, look into yourself to find what your real obstacles are. Most of the reasons we don't succeed are internal. Either we don't focus correctly, which is an issue for most people. Or we obsess over things that simply don't work or don't matter. Most of us spend all of our time focusing on what we should in reality be doing.
     
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  17. Kwaku

    Kwaku Well-Known Member

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    #17
    Patents on ideas are evil and wrong and luckily they are usually not honored (see the recents patent lawsuits at MS and a few other big companies;
    they were declared crap as they should be). Backing patents is ignorant.

    And what OP says doesn't make sense either; big companies hardly ever 'steal' your idea; a) your idea wasn't that unique in the first place, whatever
    it was b) if they like what you did, they'll buy you, not copy you; way too easy to give you a few $ and continue something running than spend startup
    costs themselves.

    Every idea we launched worked and is still working, competition notwithstanding and we are very very small. Nothing changed in 20 years on internet in
    that sense; I would say it's easier even now if you have a few braincells.
     
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  18. baronet-a

    baronet-a Active Member

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    wow... some angry ppl here)))
     
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  19. chris00129

    chris00129 Greenhorn

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    Hey There,

    This is possibly true, but I think with hard work and quality content you can grow. Give it time and then you can be that big company you though will overcome everyone :).

    Thanks,

    Chris
     
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  20. Jontish

    Jontish Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I don't really agree here. Sure, it's an advantage to have some money in the hands, but they can't buy up the whole internet just because of that.
     
    Jontish, Oct 19, 2009 IP