Goodbye Englan, hello Britanistan

The world's biggest thieves giving back some of what they stole, usually.

Well, I did say Western democracy.... including both the US and the UK (my home).

Like manipulating the world through covert operations, open wars and plain interference (look at the history of the CIA objectively).

The UK is equally to blame in all this; I am blaming my own country unfortunately.

Really? I think it could be said that it has been the largest hinderence to the development of other countries.

Errrmmm, lets not. The US mentality of going to war is disgraceful. They are all political moves. To look at only the last three wars - Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq again; they were the US' allies until they weren't going to be told what to do by the US, and then the war kicks off.

I think the US has done a lot of good, sure. But it has done so much wrong; a monumental abuse of its military might.

And you wonder why the Middle East is in conflict with all these "UN" resolutions in force.

 

MattUK

How many of your buddy countries are into this kind of slavery?


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kinds of work[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Farming, camel jockeys, domestic labour, drug trafficking, fireworks manufacturing, fishing, brick-making, carpet-weaving, sex work, stone quarrying, soldiers...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Terms
Often more abject than for adult slaves as children are more vulnerable to abuse. Children taken out of familiar surroundings are completely at the mercy of the slavekeepers.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Location
Extensive evidence of child slaves in the Gulf States, South Asia, West and Central Africa. Sexual exploitation of children is found throughout the world.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prohibitions
Under international law anyone under 18 is a child. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) and the International Labour Organization’s (ILO) Worst Forms of Child Labour Convention (1999) provide legal prohibition. Most countries also have domestic legislation.[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Early marriage[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Girls as young as 10 married without a choice and unable to give informed consent are forced into lives of domestic servitude and often physical violence.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Forced marriage
Women in parts of rural China and the Central Asian Republics are abducted and forced to marry men from neighbouring villages.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Servile marriage
Girls are pledged to priests in Ghana, Togo, Benin and Nigeria to atone for an offence committed by a family member. They are domestic and sexual slaves.
Women from the old slave caste in Niger may still be obliged to become second wives to a man from the owner caste and act as servants for the first wife.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prohibitions
There are numerous, including in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (1999).[/FONT]

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RH, you're very ignorant to US history..

The expenses of the Iraq war could have fed all the world's hungry. And I hate to tell you this, but there are millions of people going to bed hungry or starving every single day (including in the US). So don't act like the US feeds everyone . We're busy sending free weapons to Israel and blowing up Iraq rather than helping those in need.

You mean manufacturing and selling weapons. Arms dealing and murder. That's what made the US a superpower. You sure seem to be proud of it too.

We're not taking very long to catch up buddy. Mass murdering the indians, slavery, nuking japan, massacering and raping Iraqi's.. hold your head up high and let everyone know how proud of these things you are.

Hahahahahaha!!!!
Nothing like spreading democracy (or was it anarchy?) one occupied and invaded country at a time to help world peace

 

Quite a few, a lot in the US if GTechs posts are anything to go by too

 

The majority is muslim countries, around 85% and more, isn't it?
Hence, Location
Extensive evidence of child slaves in the Gulf States, South Asia, West and Central Africa.

 

It's a worldwide problem arnie, stop acting silly.

 

adpd:

Ok...you have some good counter-points, but let's look at it this way:

"The world's biggest thieves giving back some of what they stole, usually."

stole what? We have the best economy and we trade with alot of countries. What exactly did we steal and how much for us to get where we are now? Did our foreign policies take advantage of another countries resources? Probably. But we pay for everything. What that government does with the money we gave is on them.

"Like manipulating the world through covert operations, open wars and plain interference (look at the history of the CIA objectively)."

Well....let's look at the reason why the CIA was so active. Communisim. Politcal theologies in conflict. The USSR and European governments can be blamed equally for this, not just the US. All major governments are quilty of "plain interference".

"Really? I think it could be said that it has been the largest hinderence to the development of other countries."

How? With the humanitarian and financial aid given, as a loan or sometimes a hand out, to many countries to help them out because they didn't have our economy. Blame the governments of those countries, not the US. North Korea for example. We sent over alot of food and stuff with our flag on them. The DPRK painted over those with thier flag and continued their propaganda about how the "Imperalists" are trying to starve them. When infact, it's because of NK's government that is starving their brainwashed people. And China is becoming an economical superpower. In few decades, they will probably rival us. And they are one of our major trade partners.

"Errrmmm, lets not. The US mentality of going to war is disgraceful. They are all political moves. To look at only the last three wars - Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq again; they were the US' allies until they weren't going to be told what to do by the US, and then the war kicks off."

Disgraceful? I quess the Crusades was a noble thing to do. I quess that maybe we should not have been involved in the 2 World Wars? The others I already covered. And let's not forget about the Falklands. Were the sheep starting to rebel? What was the justification for that one? What people were being oppressed, from who? Oh yeah...the UK. And for the record...those "wars" didn't kick off when they decided "not to do what the US told them to". They did those on their own accord, which unfortunately, we got involved. I'm not defending the fact, but it wasn't because of our past relations with them. Back to the saying of "biting the hand that feeds".

"I think the US has done a lot of good, sure. But it has done so much wrong; a monumental abuse of its military might."

Abuse? No....it was always last resort, when everything else failed and the problem had to be taken care of. That's the problem when you have the most powerful military force...everyone thinks everytime you use it...you're abusing it. When a US carrier fleet is parked of your coast as a show of force....you tend to listen a little more.

"And you wonder why the Middle East is in conflict with all these "UN" resolutions in force."

We are but one vote. The other members went along with those policies as well. Are they right? Not in my opinon, But my argument is that the US isn't the only source for the world's problems.


Sorry about quoting like I did...I'm not that paitent to do it the normal way.

 

Yo-yo,

I am not defending the actions of the current administration..I would love for the idiot to leave.

"Arms dealing and murder"? What country hasn't. Read my post again and with an open mind. My argument is that the US is not the only quilty party.

 

That's an estimated 100 million souls forced into islam.
I recon that this is a problem, but why are you defending them?
Get a map and look a bit.

 

Get the peacefullness of muslim nations?
Just to mention to our iranian friends:
What about Ghom (not sure about the pronounciation), the place where they produce the famous persian carpets (made by childrens). Hence it takes about 10 kids from about 6 month up to 2 years to finish one carpet.
How many children working there? - soooo close to all the mainstream radical islam schools. Yes and there are more places in that same country with child abuse, child labour and so forth...
Who stands up for them?

 

Let me first say that the UK is equally/almost as bad as the US; this is not a pop at just the US.

However, the most recent war in Iraq - how was that anything to do with a dangerous situation in Iraq? Iraq was, arguably, more harmless then than it had ever been. But George W. and Tony B. had to invade. I mean, you have seen the reports saying that as soon as 9/11 happened, Bush demanded that they find evidence linking it back to Iraq. He was just itching to invade. That is the mentality of these guys. And we should not try to ignore or excuse it. They have caused more pain and suffering between them than any terrorist, freedom fighter or organisation. Period.

 

Since when a war is NOT a political move?

 

Oh? I suggest you take a look at the numerous countries around the world and look at their past and current atrocities. Put the US and UK off to one side and compare them to the smaller countries. Do some Google searches, go to a library, and do some research of some of the countries that have been torn apart by civil war and genocide; some on their own people. Then compare that to the US and UK.

 

Ah.. what do ya know... all those "terrorists" gtech was calling my buds... arrested and called terrorists for nothing more than buying cell phones, have been let go without charges.

Mccarthy would be proud of you gtech.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/ap_on_re_us/phones_terror_charges

 

You're right....it's pretty much always a political move. But sometimes it is inevitable. But the US and the UK are not the only ones who start them.

 

yo-yo,

I like your sig...totally agree.

 

I don't think anyone ever claimed that. Or am I missing something?

 

Well....the main evil so far in this thread is the US and UK. I just tried to point it out that they are not the only ones who is just as guilty. It seems everyone wants to blame the US for everything wrong in the world, when clearly they are not the root of it. They don't help the problem (Bush), but they are not the sole reason for the world's strife.

That is all I am trying to say.

 

I don't think any sane individual thinks that, as you say Bush and Blair's policies don't help matters but if there wasn't also people indoctrinated and deluded enough to kill for their religion then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

 

The only ones who blame America for everything that is wrong in the world are Muslim extremists and their followers.

Problem is that the extremists are the ones who control the mosques and are the main preachers. That fact turns most uneducated Muslims in the middle east (which lets face it, it's 95% of the people) to their followers, so there you have it. 95% of the Muslim population in the middle east (and some other places) believe the US and Israel are the root of all evil, simply because that what they were told by their religious leaders.