Black Hat SEO

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by jessicafox, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. iNET SEO

    iNET SEO Active Member

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    #21
    The types of doorway pages I am referring to are the ones that take you somewhere you don't really expect. More a re-direct than a doorway page, but I think they still get tarred with the same brush!
     
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  2. christyzen

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    #22
    Dont go with black hat tactics. They may get top 10 position. but once their site has been noticed by google, they will be penalized and they cant get back.
     
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  3. freshware

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    #23
    Hello Friend,

    No i think that black hat seo is for short time and white hat seo is for long time so we should select white hat seo.
     
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  4. TheCrabb

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    #24
    Any type of sneaky redirect will get you into trouble - doorway pages are pages that are created to specifically target selected keywords and phrases although they are not an integral part of the site as a whole. Done incorrectly, yes, they can get you penalized but done properly they are a totally legit way to generate loads of traffic.
     
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  5. B.Williams

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    #25
    You are right. Many of the Webmaster are doing Black Hat SEO and they get their relevent poistion in SERP. Which is purely wrong way and the one who is doing ethical SEO they are back
     
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  6. lowem

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    #26
    Yeah, unfortunately I have to agree. I see sites with obvious blackhat SEO techniques employed ranking highly in all the ways that count - Google, Alexa, everything. Even after they get their high traffic count they leave those techniques there, and we don't really see them penalized. It's usually those amateurs starting out that exceed certain "threshold levels" that get caught and banned etc.

    Sometimes, you just have to wonder.
    So much for "great content".
     
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  7. zealot777

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    #27
    Black hat is only good if you only know how to use it but it isn't 100% safe. Time will come that SEs will know that you're using Black hat and will ban or penalize your website which will put to waste all your effort.
     
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  8. stephrobbins656

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    #28
    Black hat seo... I think this is a name of website as well. What techniques included in Black hat???
    Can u ppl tell me..
     
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  9. SamKB

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    #29
    I'm still wondering why people can't play fair.

    You don't need to be rocket scientist to understand SEO and start climbing. Slow but consistently.
     
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  10. blog8491

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    #30
    BlackHat SEO is not a good one, It gives good results within short period. But you will get a penalty.

    Thanks
    Blog.
     
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  11. heartlandenergycolorado

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    #31
    So basically, you are saying that the entire practice of search engine optimization is black hat? I say this because all search engine optimization whether it be "white hat SEO" or "black hat SEO" is done to influence search engines. There is not a "white hat SEO" professional out there who is not trying to influence search engines. I guess if there is such a person they probably do not have their client's best interests in mind anyway.

    For those that have asked about black hat SEO techniques, there are many techniques that are used to try and "unethically" influence the search engines. Some of the more common (and ignorant methods) are:

    • Keyword Stuffing
    • Hidden Text and Links
    • Content Duplication
    • Page Swapping or Cloaking
    • Misleading Title Changes
    • Domain Spam or Mirrored Sites
    • Refresh Meta-Tag
    • Cyber Squatting
    • Automated Directory Submissions

    There are several articles on this SEO Blog about black hat SEO techniques, what they are and how to avoid using them.

    IMHO Black Hat SEO is a completely legitimate process of cheating the system. Most Black Hat SEO professionals that I have spoken with utilize this method to get quick, fast traffic. By the time there site is delisted, placed in the Sandbox or any other kind of penalty is enforced on their site, they have a new site that is already on the 1st page to take it's place. I believe most of these individuals are ingenius and can look at search engines a different way than most of us. Those SEO professionals that do not respect black hat SEO techniques are new to the business and do not know or understand the origins of their very own business. Black Hat SEO was actually the start of SEO in general.
     
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  12. jessicafox

    jessicafox Active Member

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    #32
    heartlandenergycolorado thanks for you impressive post. good opinion.
     
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    #33
    black hat can give your site a quick boost in the rankings but enjoy it while it lasts because your battling some pretty intelligent algorithms designed to detect this thing and maybe not de-index your site but send it right to the bottom of the deck

    if you are building an online business don't do it, there are enormous free learning materials to start with..All you have to do is learn it and implement it.
     
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  14. digitalvillage

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    #34
    black hat SEO Its Different types
    But Most Use is Your Title no longer 60 words With Space and Description 200 or 250 and Keyword 2 or 3 for One Page.
    Not Use Hidden Text
    Not Use Redirect One Site to another Site.
     
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  15. speakeasy602

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    #35
    You have to look at the amount of "black-hatting" that is going on. I have been using methods that would be considered black hat for years, and I have never been banned. I use socialbookmarkingdemon, blogcommentingdemon, submiteaze, and a few others. They work great.

    If you say that you NEVER use blackhat methods, then you are probably not that good at SEO.

    If I am trying to compete with a site that has 25k+ links, then I will obviously need to use some automated linkbuilding methods. IDK, it's all about the end result. If you have a fair mix of legit link acquisitions and spammy links, you can definitely hold long-term gains.

    Don't let the goodie-goodies fool you.
     
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  16. speakeasy602

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    #36
    Also, keyword stuffing is SOOOOO 2001. Most of the SEs don't even consider keyword density anymore. Doorway pages and scammy crap is also old-school.

    Build links, that's it!
     
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  17. ryuuken

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    #37
    blackhat is a term used so loosely that there so much stigma to that phrase relating to seo
     
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  18. speakeasy602

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    #38
    Also, 3-way linking is not always considered black hat.

    There are so many content networks out there that strictly use 3-way links and they work fine. Also, Google's algo handles some verticals a little different and there's not one answer that will ever blanket black hat. All of the crap that people are listing as black hat are SUPER old school, and most smart black hatters would think this conversation is pointless based on the lack of original rhetoric. I've read this same type of thread a million times.
     
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  19. Caliseo

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    #39
    some times black hat seo ranks you up temporarily, but soon after that ur serps starts to decrease .... so white hat seo is the best no matter it takes time to rank u up but ur serps remains consistent
     
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  20. TheCrabb

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    #40
    Yup. All the SEs say that we must create sites for people and not to influence the search engines, but would anybody worry about basics like meta tags and building links if it wasn't for the engines?

    I recon there is no such thing a pure white hat - it's all just shades of gray and the more experienced you are and the better you get, the darker you are willing to go as your tolerance for risk increases.

    Would I use dangerous tactics on a clients site? No. Never.
    Would I use the same tactics on my own sites? Well, there are keywords and phrases that will generate you over $10 000 per day if you're at the top, so hell yeah! I'll take my chances, get to the top for a couple of weeks and and still walk away happy when Google eventually catches me and burns my site.

    Remember, black hat SEO is not illegal. There is no law against it and nobody is going to arrest you. It's just against the SEs TOS and they will drop you from the index if they catch you - that's all. (unless you are hacking servers and defacing other peoples sites to add your links - thing that are OBVIOUSLY illegal).

    I say that if you're not burning the odd domain from time to time, you're just not trying hard enough. The SEO game probably isn't for you and you should stick to to Joomla or Drupal.
     
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