Suggestion Possible Way to Discourage Creation of Dup IDs

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  1. worldman

    worldman Notable Member

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    #21
    I think robjones has an excellent point and one that should be looked into. I can honestly say that I don't hang out on DP much anymore for this exact reason...
     
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  2. premiumscripts

    premiumscripts Peon

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    #22
    I'd like to see a simple plugin that will highlight (different background color) posts in a thread that have the same ip but different users.
     
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  3. Crazy_Zap

    Crazy_Zap Well-Known Member

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    #23
    Good suggestion, Rob.

    I mean, banning would be the best option. Why bother to even have a rule if it's not going to be enforced?
    But, since that's happening selectively, maybe attacking the reason for the dupe accounts is the next best method of dealing with them.
     
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  4. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #24
    I think people don't realize that most (of course not *all*) duplicate accounts and the majority of spammers are deleted before they can even make their first post. Any suspicious looking accounts are sent to a user queue to be moderated. About 50 new users get moderated every day, and of those... I'd guess 45 of them are deleted right away. So yeah... we are programatically keeping close to 1,500 "new" users out a month.
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #25
    I'm with Rob as well. This is a long time overdue, and another thing that could help curb some of the BS posting that goes on here.

    The disturbing thing about this one was it was SO OBVIOUS that it should have been picked up on way before it took several people here threatening to leave.

    Between this and other crap that's continuing here, I'm fairly certain I'm about to end my 10+ year run as well.
     
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  6. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #26
    How about banning them from posting in BST rather than take away all their rep? I mean who cares about blobs to that extent?
    People create Dup. Acc generally to shill and other things related to BST. Banning them from BST would have a better effect than taking their rep imo
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #27
    Banning them from BST, YES... Great idea. Why does the rep matter? Because when you let dirt bags with high rep keep their rep, those that do not realize they are dirt bags end up trusting them and getting screwed by them in other areas of the forum where they lurk, not just BST.

    Ultimately doing both is the best way to squash them.
     
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  8. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #28
    Then Ban them from the BST and give them a username color (for their bST ban period) that says they are dirt bags ;)
     
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  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #29
    No rep or red rep does the same thing ;)
     
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  10. sweetlouise

    sweetlouise Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Here is another, probably the biggest reason why duplicate accounts are being created!

    Ok - sounds rash

    but i have noticed some important changes of late.

    the fact that a bumping has gone from the bst means that services are getting buried really fast - "like i give a toss" - i hear you say

    well you should, because of this, legit sellers are turning rogue. when their thread gets buried, the pm's stop coming in and the money stops flowing.

    so what do they do? they cant post duplicate posts. so they get a proxy and make a new account, spam the forums with "me too" posts so that they can post a sales thread in the bst

    take a look for yourself, the bst is swamped with new sellers, - this is going to have a massive knock on effect. since these new accounts have no itraders, the users are less inclined to provide a good service - which means more forum members will get screwed.

    i am sure mods must have noticed the increase in spam accounts. surely it is easier to mod bumps rather than thousands of accounts aimed at 1 thing.

    there is that much competition in the bst that old school bumps get reported faster than spam - (by competitors)

    does anyone else have a view on this?

    im almost tempted make a few accounts up myself and get some extra sales, everybody else seems to be doing it :D
     
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  11. Smyrl

    Smyrl Tomato Republic Staff

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    #31
    I have not noticed an increase in the number of duplicate accounts.
     
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  12. sweetlouise

    sweetlouise Well-Known Member

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    #32
    looks like the spammers are beating you then. all it take is to troll the services section and pick out 1 small niche, then look at the similarities within the threads, its easy to spot the spam

    here you go, its not hard to tell this is a bad account.

    if you think about it, if your smart enough to be making linkwheels and doing other services offered by these spam accounts - then you will have been a member of a webmaster forum for quite some time. so the fact that this account is new and selling is a dead give away.

    then take a look at the posts, all me too's - contributing nothing to the forum.

    looks like they are still getting through ey
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #33
    Maybe BST should be subscription based!!!! That I'd pay for, rather than some goofy, underground area!
     
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  14. sweetlouise

    sweetlouise Well-Known Member

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    #34
    :) amen :)



    i get really pissed off when i look in the services section lately, i see all these spam accounts selling the same services as me - they get a free ride - while i sit back and abide by the rules and only have 1 post for a service.

    the only way for me to get my posts seen these days is to buy sig links, and that still does not really make a huge impact
     
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  15. robjones

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    #35
    Memo: The Wages of Sin have Gone Up
    I've noticed staff is folding dup IDs into the primary ID as dups are discovered. As a result one serial troll that created many IDs has had all of their reps combined. Most of them had fairly low rep, but remember nodody starts with zero and these IDs tend to rep each other as they are really the same fellow.

    So as a reward for creating numerous ID... if this bozo is allowed back in he'll have gone from a mediocre rep to almost maxing out. What an odd method. Creating multiple IDs results in him appearing more credible to others. Oops.

    The current system rewards rulebreakers
    The answer is either a permaban or removing ALL rep from those caught creating dups.
     
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  16. SCLocal

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    #36
    My 2 1/2 Cents:

    Duplicate Account(s) = Permanent Ban

    Plain and simple. You can't follow the rules, you get kicked to the curb.
     
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  17. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #37
    If only it were that simple. You are assuming there are zero false positives and also that someone banned permanently doesn't ever try to sign up a new account. :)
     
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  18. bluebelt91

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    #38
    I agreed with Shawn..spammers generally signs again with a new username after getting banned and start it all over again..
    but the best part is they remained spammers and get banned again..
    I think they became the part of the forum and mods have to continue their work to ban them...
    thats the only solution..
     
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    #39
    Yeah, I guess, I'd be ban happy, lol.. I think perhaps a decent idea would be to require a minimum of 50 posts to be able to post to the BST. That way the user establishes themselves as a 'contributing member' of DP... Maybe 50 posts is too much, maybe it isn't enough.

    As for all the 'me toos' and 'pm me' crap in every single thread, my advice: flag the post, flag every post that doesn't fit or conform to the rules and TOS, just flag flag flag
     
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  20. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #40
    We are pretty good at keeping the duplicate accounts out after someone is banned though (of course not everything is 100% unfortunately). Around 300 accounts per week are automatically flagged as something fishy (probable duplicate account), and the vast majority (~95%) of those are deleted before they can do anything because they are indeed duplicate accounts.

    We know all sorts of interesting things about users that help us determine if they might be a duplicate account. ;)

    We usually are able to detect accounts that "changed ownership" as well (sold accounts). We must be doing something right, because if you Google "want to buy digital point account", people are paying good money. Unfortunately for those people, we usually terminate the account that was sold as well as the sellers "primary" account when it's done. You'd be surprised how many duplicate accounts we've detected (along with others tied to it) the instant it "changes ownership". :)
     
    digitalpoint, Oct 27, 2009 IP