Sorry but if you've never heard of breakcore or darkpsy you must have been living under a rock for the last 10 years. Anyone who has a clue about electronic music would know these genres well. And there's no point trying to defend the clear fallacy that EDM is a whole genre and anything else (house, techno, trance, breaks, IDM, etc. etc. etc.) is merely a "subgenre" - by that reasoning there are only about three base genres of music full stop. Guess what - for the last 20 years or so, house, techno, trance, breaks have been genres in their own right. Get used to it. I'm heavily involved in the EDM scene, just not the commercial scene. And yes, I get my fair share of guestlists, promo materials, review copies, etc. every week.
Like I said. I have been around since before any sub genres existed...there were only 2. House, and Techno. You can talk about the last 10 years all you want, but I can talk about the last 25 and where it all started, including your sub genres. There are hundreds, HUNDREDS of subgenres of EDM. Too many to know "darkpsy" and it's artists since it has only been around a few years...and by the measure of how long Dance Music has been around, yes..it is a NEW subgenre. "dark psy", "dark step", "dark electro", "dark Ambient" and "Dark Core" are all sub genres of Industrial , Hard Style, and Drum and Bass, which themselves are sub genres. The are not the Category, they are a sub category of a larger, more recognized, and older Style. I can probably call 10 reps right now and ask them to name a "dark psy" artist and they couldn't without looking it up online. It's a sub genre. Just because you feel strongly about it and like it, doesn't take away from that fact, and as hard as I looked to make you right, I cannot find any source that does not list it as a sub genre of a more recognized style of EDM...if it is even mentioned at all. So while I know a good 50 styles of EDM, forgive me for not narrowing in and recognizing the small corner category of an already existing sub niche. By the way, Dark Psy is nothing but Hardcore out of Russia and Germany (I had to look on my own website for that). You can call it what ever you want..but it's Hardcore. The term Dark Psy wasn't officially coined and accepted until 2003. From from being around forever...and the only big event around that genre that I know of is Nightmare Outdoor, and Nightmare Indoor which is coming up Dec 5 in Rotterdam. I posted on my blog about it months ago.http://www.124bpms.com/featured/nightmare-indoor-2009-set-for-december-5-ahoy-rotterdam/. Don't just read the page, read the book and then you will know what is really going on. IOW, you can't come onto the scene and tell and old school-er like me what's happening..you have 20 years to catch up to me. I have forgotten more about Dance Music than you will ever know. While you can probably tell me a few things about particular artists of the niche, because I can't stand Hardcore, you can't take me when it comes to EDM as a whole and it's History. AND BY THE WAY: Since you pride yourself on your EDM knowledge, can you honestly look at all of the styles, subgenres, and off market categories and tell me that you know about each and every one of them, and can name an artist or record label for each ? Or even a song ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_music_genres. If you can, you are one bad MF, because i know people that have been around since Disco, still work in the industry and have worked with thousands of artists in EDM all over the world that cannot. So insulting someones knowledge because they don't know a 5 year old subgenre that is only popular in certain corners of the world, is a little short sighted. And "dark psy" is listed as a sub genre of Psychedelic/GoaTrance, which itself is a sub genre of Trance, which is a spin off of Techno. And that is probably the way it is recognized in the music industry...not as it's own Genre. Learn the history.
What you think I don't know the history? You think I didn't see 88? Knowing the history isn't an excuse for being ignorant. And no, nobody claims that "dark step", "dark electro" and "Dark Core" are genres - get real. You're one arrogant MF considering you know nothing about me. And you're also so fixated on the past it seems you're massively out of touch with the cutting edge of dance music.
Not knowing the history and what the music you are proclaiming to know so well is derived from is the epitome of ignorance. No one is fixated on the past, but you can't jump in at the middle of a movie and claim to know the story line. I didn't start swinging, you did here: Gee..someone doesn't like your music and they are all of a sudden an idiot. That's real informed and very mature. Maybe I missed it but where are your Dance Music sites, Where is your knowledge documented, and how many publications do you currently contribute EDM news and info to ? None ? Well then, I guess we know who's on the "Cutting Edge" and gets paid for knowing Electronic Dance Music, and who's just talking smack from the basement because he has a few tunes on his iPod.
Shit, you know your music history. I didn't know Trance originated from the UK. Interesting, because some of the best Trance producers originate from Europe but not the UK. The late 90's was definitely the best period for Trance, that's when I first started listening to it. Although in 07/08 it picked up again. Never heard of them, and I've been listening to electronic music for the past 10 years. I'm guessing breakcore is a sub-genre of hardcore.
What makes you think I don't know about the roots of dance music? Just because you can spout off an oversimplified basic timeline doesn't exactly make you any more of an expert than anyone else. It's not like it's hard to understand the genesis of trance or house.
Yeah, but I make money by knowing, so I guess more than a few people feel like I know what I'm talking about. Actually the time line and intricacies on the early days of Dance Music is very in depth and really starts back during Disco, I was just "dumbing it down" for you so your head wouldn't explode But just because I know the history (because I actually was there...I'm from Detroit) don't think I don't know what goes on from day to day in the industry. I throw away more press and information than it's even possible to print and that's writing Dance Music for 2 sites everyday. Even so..no one knows it all. Without even following local artists, events, and up and coming DJ's and artists, there is a ton of information everyday just for the top 10 labels and top 100 DJ's and artists....it is constantly moving..so don't confuse the fact that I saw House and Techno born, with me being "old School"...I just don't like Hardcore Trance and I don't write about it, but I still get the release notes, demos and press across all genres. So I do keep up. It's how I pay the bills.
Yeah I know. It seems The Netherlands and Germany right now hold title to some of the hottest DJ's in the world. Out of the top DJ's... Armin van Buuren - The Netherlands Tiesto - The Netherlands Ferry Corsten - The Netherlands Paul van Dyk - Germany Carl Cox - United States Up and coming real fast Markus Shulz- Germany People were using the term "Trance" in the late 80's, but it really wasn't until The K.L.F (who was actually known as an Acid House group) took the term mainstream with their album "The White Room", that it really became known as a genre of Dance Music. I don't know how old you are, but at a time The KLF was the hottest thing going worldwide. "3 a.m. Eternal", and "What Time is Love" and "Last Train to Trancentral" were probably the first recognized "Trance" style tracks ever. After that it just exploded. If you listen to "..Last train.." you can hear the influence in the way it was composed compared with today's Trance Music. a definite starting point that took it to the next level. Remember that at the time New Order (not really 'trance") who used to be Joy Division of course, and The Pet Shop Boys (who were hard remixing everything for the clubs, especially the remix of "Opportunities" which was just hardcore Acid House.) were blowing up dance floors all over Europe and the U.S. ...so it had a lot of momentum and it never stopped..well at least not around the world, just here in the U.S.
Yeah, The Netherlands seem to have a knack for creating quality producers. Markus Shulz is well recognized now. If I remember correctly, he signed onto Above & Beyond's label. I have a question. Do you like your Hardcore?
Above and Beyond is the Shiznit ! Definitely my favorite along with Shulz What's popular to some, others have never heard of. 90% of the people I know in the U.S. (outside of people in the industry) have no idea who Above and Beyond is. I have been in bars (not nightclubs) across the country from Miami to San Diego and almost everyone blocks dance music out of their internet jukeboxes. The only cities that I know of that even play any House or Trance on the radio are Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and Miami..that's it ! It's a sad state of affairs here in the U.S. Of course it's different elsewhere. I just sent a friend of mine in Ireland a promo CD (House)..she called me today and told me that she had heard a one of the tracks on the radio last time she was in London. I never hear that from anyone in the states.
I'm not fussed over radio, but it's a sad state of affairs when you can't even go to a club and listen to good music.
Yeah, some of the early raves in the UK would have been nuts. Dont get me wrong, we get some good acts to come to Australia, but there are not many good regular clubbing nights.
you guys are more than welcome to the Torontonian club scene of house. We've got great house residents from all around