While the religious get rewarded in the never never who gets rewarded now?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by stOx, Oct 12, 2009.

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    Do the religious not find it ironic that while they are being promised their rewards in there here after the people promising them that are very much getting theirs in the here and now?

    What do you think that says about the people making you these promises and how much they believe that, in the case of christianity at least, poverty is a virtue? or do you just not think about it in fear of the realisation you will inevitably come to?

    While you are being told to reject worldly possesions the very people telling you that are playing a game where-by they all see how many palaces they can live in at once without blushing. The pope is winning, he has a whole city. And yet he condemns wealth, while sitting on a solid gold chair, in his palace, located in his own city.

    Doesn't look even slightly like a scam? Are the religious not even slightly concerned by the massive wealth these shysters accumilate while telling you to reject it?
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    Believing in an afterlife and living a good life has a profound effect on people. Most of us want to believe that there is more existance after we pass away.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    Sorry, have you completely ignored everything i said?
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    indirect answer to your post
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    It doesn't seem like a scam because of how many people feel that religion is important
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    Can you not read English?

    I'm not asking you if believing it makes you feel better, or even if it's true. Do the religious not find it ironic that while they are being promised their rewards in there here after the people promising them that are very much getting theirs in the here and now?

    I understand you are reluctant to think about this, obviously. But if you are unwilling to think about it would you mind not commenting on it.
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    religion is important. If religious leaders are getting rich then their audience doesn't mind much unless they forget their religious beliefs
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    Is this a conversation you are having with yourself in your own head? Your ability to read and comprehend is atrocious.
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    I answered your thread
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    No you didn't. You basically said;
    - well the religious don't mind
    - Believing in an afterlife makes me feel better
    - Religion is important
    - things aren't scams if it makes you feel better
    - a belief in an afterlife has an effect on people

    None of this adresses what i said. Re-read my post and have another go.

    here is the gist of my post, i hope this is sufficiently dumbed down for you.

    Are the religious not even slightly concerned by the massive wealth these shysters accumilate while telling you to reject it?

    Are you not concerned by the hypocrisy of, say, the pope telling you to reject wealth while sitting in a palace situated in his own city?

    Are you not concerned that the people telling you your reward is in the here after are very much getting their rewards in the here and now?
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    I did not say or infer that
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #12
    Interesting statement, never thought of it quite like that.

    It would make sense that a powerful few would want everyone else to not value power so that they can take it for themselves. Any disagreements?
     
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    You said "It doesn't seem like a scam because of how many people feel that religion is important", inferring that things can't be scams so long as the person being scammed "feels it is important".

    That's kind of how scams work, by making you think you are getting something out of it, in exchange for money of course, which in religion is used to buy massive houses for those preaching it. For you though, the follower, poverty is a virtue and you get your rewards after you die, and only if you do what the guy in the mansion tells you to do, which invariably involves giving him more money and living in even more poverty yourselves. :rolleyes: lol mugs.
     
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    #14
    People blindly believe and follow other people. This is how we evolved and this was mandatory for our survival.

    Scientists has shown that when a person is knowingly acting against the common belief of the other persons in his vicinity this is involved in PHYSICAL pain in his brain, even if he is possesses information that they don't!

    The internet is perhaps the best example: How many scam sites promising you to make XXX$ every day "Guaranteed" using a new "secret" system, if you just pay a couple of $$ ? , a million? :) If so many sites exist: it works. The people who fall for these sites are the same kind of people that fall for "holy books", and for the same reasons.
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    I'm inferring that it could be a scam not can't be a scam and that inference to scamming is very light if at all.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #16
    You are both mixing the words imply and infer.

    Imply is a verb that means to convey meaning subtlety or indirectly.

    Infer is a verb that means to reach a conclusion as the result of an experience or circumstance.

    Eric, implied something. He did not infer anything. Whether Stox correctly inferred what Eric was trying to imply is another question entirely. :)

    http://homepage.smc.edu/quizzes/cheney_joyce/implyinfer.html

    today's lesson is free.

    Answer key to the questions on the link:
    implies
    implies
    infer
    imply
    inferred
     
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    But the religious gets something out of it, they feel good, they feel better, comforted.
     
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    I think the Pope has been diverted by Satan and will go to hell for being a hypocrite.
     
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    Religion is basically a mutual fraud, meaning both agree on the scams, it is like a pyramid schemes but at the very top the church and it's leaders win.

    Go to a church and observe the "worshipers" and you will find out that most aren't there to worship, they are there to "Network" with the other hypocrites like them, that's all it is except the person at the bottom of the scheme gets scammed...The naive person who actually believe loses.
     
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    Exactly, like all good scams make you feel. THATS THE POINT! :rolleyes:
     
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