LOL Wrong. This is not philosophy but a very simple Logical Fallacy. (can you recognize which of the 20?) To Illustrate the fallacy, look at the opposite (="not") case: if you "claim" to have faith, you are acknowledging the argument for the probability of the inexistence of a God/Creator, so therefore you don't have faith. People are just born curious and not with "a desire to seek their creator". For your sentence to have a meaning (and still not necessarily be true!), the existence of the "creator" should be proven beyond any doubt, and this is clearly not the case. I did not post that "they are not born to seek religion", I posted that the "intellectual" infrastructure to understand an abstract idea like the "gods" of the various religions is built-in in their brains from birth, as the experiment I linked to demonstrates (compare, for example, with quantum mechanics or thermodynamics that has to be "burnt" into their brains with a lot of effort that most people deter from undergoing. The ability to understand these theories is not there from birth but has to be gently created). Scientists still dispute if this is the same kind of "infrastructure" that is put to action for example with the ability to learn a language (=evolutional adaptation), or not. I hope you now understand better what I meant to say.
I ain't listening to you. You're an over-the-top argumentative waste of time. Thanks though. Glad someone has all the answers.
Not listening to your BS either. Your defending the undefendable. Get a job or something. I explained a basic philosophy that was discussed long before you were born. I didn't make it up.. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but you have no point of reference. Just a lot of anger issues about God. And there is one you know? For me, that's all that matters. I wasn't here to debate useless dribble, I just stated what I have come to believe. And I am entitled. People break out dictionaries and split hairs, but the fact remains that everyone seeks the knowledge of the existence of self. In doing that you will, at some time, consider God as an option. Now bugger off!
Don't you just love the yellow belly religious who want to have thier "arguments" heard and be afforded the ability to ignore opposing views. Thank you, for exposing the weakness of your position and the cowardice of your character. if you want to rant unchallenged about shit you've made up stand on a street corner and do it. on here, however, prepared to have it torn to shreds.
Another answer which involved a lot of "philosophy", adhering to the highest standards of academic argumentation standards and reasoning. Thank you for the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to read such great words of wisdom. p.s. I think that already at 8th grade my knowledge and analytical ability were enough to recognize and quickly show that your "philosophical" (LOL) argument is nothing but a trivial logical fallacy, as easily proved above. stOx also pointed that out as I was writing the post (we wrote our posts simultaneously), instead of the mathematical term I used, he just used an expression that you probably are more familiar with, namely:
Yeah. probably there are. But the number is comparatively very very low. Even if you quote examples, it would be from people living in the US/UK/Can / Europe . There wouldn't be many from the main Islamic zone. You know what i mean??? I knew how your tone would be when i saw your avatar.
mdvasanth86: I have a question. During my phD I made friends with a cool muslim guy from Paris. We keep in touch although i'm back in Israel. I hope that I will be able to show him Israel soon enough. Unlike me who consider myself officially to be an atheist, if asked for his religion, he will say that he is muslim. 1) He does not eat pork. 2) He does not believe in heaven and hell. 3) I didn't quite understand if he believes that the quran was written by god or not. his answers are always not "yes" and not "no". 4) He does not pray at all. 5) I didn't ask him on his position about Muhammed. In my opinion, although he considers himself to be "Muslim", he is an atheist. He just respects the tradition of his parent and environment: but he really doesn't believe in god, and quran, and all the crap that comes along. What do you think? is he muslim? if yes, then there are no muslim atheists. if no, then Guestid is right (of course), and there are tons of muslim atheists. These are the same kind of atheists that exist in the "main Islamic zone". They just don't brag about it like their parallels in the western society simply for the fact that they live in intolerant primitive and ignorant societies, and such a confession will have consequences: from social outcasting in the good case to death penalty in the worst case.
It's typical of muslims to try and force their religion on to people against their will, and even more typical that they target children. I guess we should be grateful that ziya is just making desperate assumptions regarding new borns religion and not raping them, which is also typical of Muslims.
Phew, that's ok then. It makes all the child rape done in the name of islam ok then. That was your point wasn't it? That by comparing numbers your "brothers" can be excused for raping children? I think the main difference is that in America it's illegal, in Islam it's divinely inspired.
I hope you are clever enaugh to understand my point of view . Of course my point of view was not that . You calling me a " baby raper " , but you dont look at the mirror. You dont see what is happening in the other western countries ( one of them in US) Child abuse can not be excused . And I dont understand why you called me a "baby raper "
I have a question , is there any note in your identification cards ( like passports ) write about religion ? If yes what does there write for atheists ? ( especially in western USA , Europe, Canada )