This story is not from The Onion. This is how crazy "conservatives" have become. They are actually working on rewriting the Bible because Jesus is too liberal in the real Bible. Just as right wing celebration of the US not winning our Olympics bid for 2016 proved once and for all that right wingers are in no way patriotic this insanity proves that right wingers are in no way religious. The only thing these people really believe in is the power of an elite super wealthy class of people to control everything else for their own benefit, everyone else be damned. These are the type of people who think that it's totally rational that a business can take out life insurance policies on it's workers (look up "dead peasant insurance") and for prisons to be a for profit business (you think it's a coincidence that incarceration rates have gone through the roof since for profit prisons have become commonplace?) In other words these are people who are incapable of basic human empathy (and yes, empathy is a good thing. it's what makes us human beings.)
In regards to your bible story I don't really care, but the above quote is another example of your many bashing attempts of capitalism that I don't even think you believe. Are you playing Michael Moore games? Bashing the system and how people bank off it while you're trying to bank yourself in doing that? You brag about "getting rich" off stocks in multiple threads and posts, one example: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11003355&postcount=7 Then I see your avatar has an image with "Make Money Online" and you link your latest blog post about bragging that you brought in $15K in Sept. When i click on it I see multiple entries about the great money being pulled in each month. How can you than bash corporate greed when everything seems to be money money money with you? You link to your sites all the time with new threads which even the mods have had to remove before. Are you just gaming people on forums like these with a strong stance to try and rally a crowd to your sites and make $ by posting very extreme buzz attempts? BTW, greed is far from a "Republican" specific thing, it's everywhere and one of the biggest driving factors of both corruption and success sometimes and sometimes not hand in hand.
Reseg, I think you could have summed this up on one word; hypocrite. Some of zibbys posts lately make me think that it must be snowing angel dust in some parts of the country.
You guys better keep attacking the messenger before someone reads the message and asks you for a rebuttal. Whoops...
Exactly. Greed is built into human nature. That's why we have to have laws which discourage it rather than enable it. I never said I was against capitalism, what I am is against is capitalism that is without any reasonable control because I think that leads to where we are now. I make OK money, yes. Especially recently. But I'm not controlling people's lives. People don't work for me. I'm just a dude making some cash my own way (so I don't have to have a boss.) It's such a straw man argument you guys make. You say basically "you say negative things about capitalism, yet you make money." Yeah. Obviously I work within this system, this is what is here right now. It doesn't mean I don't think it can be improved. And it doesn't mean that things like dead peasant insurance and privatizing prisons aren't wrong (they are.) Do you really believe that being against things like that means I'm against all free enterprise? Free markets are fine. But we must also have reasonable controls that don't allow corporations to gain such massive powers. --- Also I see that you don't have anything to say about the Conservapedia Bible. Do you support this or not? It's really amazing to me that you guys have convinced yourself that anyone who speaks out against the worst aspects of capitalism run amuck (and do you guys honestly defend dead peasant insurance? if so, please explain why that is OK?) cannot make money without being a hypocrite? It's such a ridiculous premise. But then again rewriting the Bible because it's too liberal is a ridiculous premise too, and the right wing crowd is at that too.
Zibblu I didn't DEFEND anything. I simply pointed out your constant jabs about greed and money hungry Republicans when you seem to be all about money yourself. I keep seeing it post after post and decided to say something. I don't follow the bible. I didn't want to say and rock any boats but I honestly see it as a fictional book though I respect people of faith(the ones with morals @ least). If the Republicans are trying to change verses in the bible to look more conservative that sounds very stupid to me, but I really have no desire to look it up further. Both sides already do this with public school books already and it's pathetic. I believe extreme liberals balance out extreme conservatives and vice-versa. While they both SUCK in some of their stances if either went away the other would bury us. As far as life insurance on workers for the company benefit, I think there are cases this is very important. While it may not be important in these cases I have no doubt Microsoft has a policy on Bill Gates and Apple has one on Steve Jobs. Insuring your janitors seems silly, but then again, it's proven it can cost a lot more money to replace someone than keep them so if they're forced to, that's unexpected expenses. Some use hiring agencies, there are interviews, and there's training. There are many cases though where I see it being very important. When you have investors putting up money for assets in a company and the company relies heavily on specific people that are irreplaceable in their role, they become a single point of failure. I'm not saying Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are, that's debatable... but in cases where someone designed a whole system solely that would take another rare person or team of people many months to even figure out, that person IS the company. If that person is lost, so could the company. So when investors come in, they evaluate this and will require a life insurance policy on any person such as this. One of the companies I work with the co-founder wrote a massive PPC system that take leads and routes them in real time to buyers after looking at their current buy price. It then will check and see if there are any unfilled lead orders that are unlikely to be met and if so, it will screen scrape our position on key terms that bring in those types of leads. If it finds we're in a lower position and we have profit room on the term, it will automatically adjust and push through the API the bids to move us up and fill those orders. He WAS the only person who understood his system, though it may sound simple, it had no pretty gui interface or even commands the average Joe would pick right up on. When investors came with their millions, they said he had to be insured and he had to be removed as a single point of failure meaning others needed trained to replace him if he decided to walk away or died. He fully understood that and he's the one who told me about it in fact. I could go on and on with examples where you may not agree, but it makes perfect sense to me from a business stand point. Why they would insure janitors, again seems silly, but I doubt many company really are. It's probably just a story news sites are telling to have something to report on making it look bigger than it is. Or maybe they're insuring in case of a major catastrophe where multiple low level employees are killed, no idea. If there are cases of these people getting knocked off then prosecute fully, but of not, seems like a waste of energy to complain about.
Because you are making money the exact same way you try to convince others is bad/wrong. Let me help you with the definition. hypocrite a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
If someone else made the thread or if Zibblu didn't make another jab about greedy people, no I probably would have not been interested enough in the thread to reply after reading it. Zibblu's attempts to create buzz and get attention by posting an extreme point of view and controversial stance reeled me in lol.
The topic and headline are astonishing. What is more astonishing is that the author of the blog piece is a Conservative commentator with an extensive publishing and commentating background. He holds a variety of unique views, but still his commentary is from the right. It also appears that he is a deeply religious person in his own right. Those perspectives need to be funneled into an analysis of his own perspective. Regardless, that is an amazing story. In reading the author Rod Dehar's description of what is driving these folks, its amazing. Their focus is so fundamentally and above all-else "anti-liberal" it seems to twist their thinking and what they are attempting to do with this effort. Things like this take me back to my own experiences. I was a commercial real estate broker in the Washington DC area for about 20 years. Most of my clients were businesses, institutions, associations, groups. I tended to represent them with regard to finding new space for their offices, renegotiating leases or buying a building for their group. I tended to work with the head person or someone directly under the #1 person who directly reported to that person on the office space needs. DC of course is the American center for all types of politics and attracts so many politically oriented folks. The amount of energy and personal belief they put into politics varies. In that whole time I had two clients that represented an extremist focus on politics. One was on the Right, one was on the Left. In one way they were more similar to one another than any other client; they tended to politicize everything in their lives, including a typically non-political thing like their office space. Of course one of them colored everything from a left perspective and the other a right perspective. Basically they were different than every other of hundred's of clients. The overwhelming majority put NO politics into the decision about office space. But the people representing this group trying to rewrite the bible represent that teeny percentage of people who cloud every perspective on every issue with politics. Somehow I have a hard time believing that the authors of the various versions of the bible in print in the US (probably written decades and decades ago) spent 2 seconds worrying about whether the words they used had a "conservative" or "liberal" orientation. Probably the words they used so many decades ago hadn't been polluted with political perspectives now in fashion. It seems like a weird, dangerous, ultra extremist group of people. It seems like another bizarre manifestation of the extremist right. At some point one simply wants to turn off the noise and shut them off. They are way too loud, way too visible, way too bizarre, and way too extreme. Hey there is a real world out there. Let's try and live it.
Conservative doesn't particularly mean Christian. I think sometimes they are confused. This person is clearly not a Christian because if they were, they would clearly want the bible to be translated in a way that was as accurate as possible and readable. This is why we have different translations, the NASB is one of the most literal word for word translations while the NIV (referenced in the article) attempted a more easily readable version but tried to keep the same meaning. Any bible that wants to add more emphasis on hell clearly wants to add to the bible. There is plenty of references of a real hell. We don't need to add anymore or take away from whats there. This would clearly be against what the bible says.
No I'm not. I'm just a small business person trying to make a living. I'm strongly in favor of a free market environment where small business people can thrive. I haven't ever said anything against that. What I am against is abuse of power by large corporate entities. This is what is so sad. So many people don't realize that we're almost all on the same side. I am not a part of the plutocracy. I'm just a guy who is doing OK (for now.) But so many people are convinced to fight against themselves. They think "maybe one day I can be one of those rich assholes" .. Well maybe they don't think of it quite like that... What I'm against is huge corporations who have so much power that they become bigger than the law and that they basically control our entire political system. You try to make it into this black & white issue so that you can ignore the very huge problems with our current economic system. If you dismiss any criticism from people making money in some way (everyone) then you can automatically ignore the horrible things that are done today in the name of "capitalism" including: 1. Most large corporations take out life insurance policies on their workers. When a worker dies, the corporation gets the settlement. Why do they do this? Tax evasion. "Dead Peasant Insurance" is just another way that corporations get around paying taxes. 2. Prisons have become increasingly privatized which leads to an obvious situation where the profit motive is to put more people in jail. If you can't see an issue with that then I don't know what to say. This is the primary reason that incarceration rates have gone up by more than 300% over the last 30 years. 3. Corporate control of the media. Obviously this creates an environment where ideas which are contrary to continued corporate power are treated in a negative way.
This is typical of these so called "christians". They simply use this dogma to bolster what they already believe, and now they believe in shit so mental, like leaving the sick who have no money to die and war, even religion can't be used to bolster it so they are changing what the religion says. I think it demonstrates in a far more profound way than i ever could that these idiots don't believe this crap is the word of god any more than i do.