As my wife and I discuss whether to have our kids vaccinated or not she finds this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...provinces-to-rethink-flu-plan/article1303330/ Now, I've read other studies that say typically lower educated and lower income people are more likely to choose to get vaccinated. I believe this had something to do with those having more access to studies and research on vaccines had more doubt in it's effectiveness and less % chose to get it. I've also read lower income and lower education people are more likely to catch the flu to a slight degree. I'm not sure why exactly, but possibly closer living quarters, less understanding of how viruses are spread and preventive measures. Without referencing a study I think it's safe to say those in higher risk areas are also more likely to get the vaccine. So, with that said, this could throw off the study a bit as to why people getting vaccinated are higher risk to catch the H1N1 because they were higher risk in the first place, or the studies could be complete crap. But I feel in the very least, this is something to make you think twice about needing it as well as be concerned about the pressure some groups are under to get vaccinated. No doubt there are people out there that would prefer articles like this not get big publicity in fear of losing credibility and let's face it, flu vaccines probably total in the billions of $ changing hands I'd guess. So, I wanted to throw that out there for people to check out, rip apart, solidify, of just give their opinions on it.
it's those vaccinated against seasonal flu who appear more likely to contract h1n1, not those vaccinated against h1n1.
yup, wasn't trying to hide that though I see I could have been more clear. The issue is the H1N1 is not tested in any significant #'s as to it's effectiveness (while having many reputable doubters due to it being rushed and untested) nor is it yet available to everyone. So, unless the H1N1 turns out to work really well AND is available and taken by everyone taking the seasonal flu shot as well, according to this study they will be twice as likely to get H1N1. I'm not standing behind this study but feel it's worth consideration.
You seem to be deliberately trying to suggest that this study has something to do with the h1n1 vaccination. No that isn't the issue, not in this study at least. This study shows nothing regarding the effectivness of the h1n1 vaccination. You are deliberately trying to blur the lines between what this study is repoted to have found and the effectivness and safety of the h1n1 vaccination. This study is reporting to have found that those vaccinated against seasonal flu are more likely to contract swine flu. That's all, nothing more. It says nothing about the h1n1 vaccination, regardless how much you try to suggest it does.
omg Stox, there is NO hidden or underlying message in my thread, take it for what it's worth. I apologize for not being clear enough for you... I really mean it, I'm truly sorry stox. Will you forgive me? I was simply trying to decide if we should vaccinate our kids or not with the SEASONAL FLU VACCINE (which has a higher mortality % than H1N1) and found an interesting study showing that those who DO have twice the chance of getting the H1N1. Now if someone ALSO gets the H1N1 vaccine WITH the seasonal flu shot and it takes away that X2 chance I don't know. There no way to tell since we don't even know if the H1N1 vaccine even works, and none of that even matters @ this point because it's not even available here to us we were told. Fell free to throw your thoughts on the study and how it relates to other studies in regards to both the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccine with how safe it is and how effective it is. The point of my thread wasn't to only talk about this study, I meant it to be much more general than that with a starting point of this study which I hadn't seen before. One very interesting point in the article is one theory why people getting SEASONAL FLU vaccines are twice as likely to get the H1N1 is this: "One hypothesis suggests seasonal flu vaccine preoccupies the cells that would otherwise produce antibodies against H1N1" Now from that, one has to question, even IF the H1N1 vaccine works, will it not be as effective if taken WITH the seasonal flu vaccine since the antibodies are preoccupied with one over the other? Obviously it's a concern to them or they would just have ppl that get the seasonal flu shot to also get the H1N1 instead of SUSPENDING their seasonal flu shots for ppl under 65 in 3 Providences (see below). Does this mean they also question how well the H1N1 vaccine will work, or how well it will work WITH the seasonal flu shot? Or is it just flat out not available for them either? I feel there are a lot of interesting things to come from this. It's obviously being considered a major issue to some from seeing this: "On Sunday Quebec joined Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia in suspending seasonal flu shots for anyone under 65 years of age." Maybe you should email these medical professionals and tell them the study has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the H1N1 vaccine and just to get that also. They will surely say "DUH, OK, makes sense, let's cancel that suspension of seasonal flu shots for ppl under 65 since stox cleared everything up for us".
You were deliberately and intentionally trying to spread misinformation, which is both dishonest and socially irrisponsible. Everything from the title of the thread to your "concerns" were designed to suggest that this studies findings had soemthing to do with the effectivness or safety of the h1n1 vaccination, and you are still trying to do it. Now i don't know if this has something to do with your ability to read something and sufficiently understand what it is saying or a result of you dishonestly trying to manufacture evidence for the conclusion you have already come to, but either way, the study has NOTHING to do with the h1n1 vaccination.
You caught me st0x, and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those kids and their dog... Great work not taking my word for it and totally sniffing me out, my kids will be ashamed no doubt. BTW, why would I be considering vaccinating my kids for H1N1 when it's not available to us and I've questioned it's effectiveness in every thread I've ever written on this board about it? I meant seasonal flu and apologized for not being clear enough FOR YOU. I am repenting now.
Wait a minute, how could you possibly think I was talking about the H1N1 vaccine in my first post? Along with what I said in my above post saying I couldn't have been considering the H1N1 vaccine because it's not available, I also said this in my post: I'm talking about studies of people who get the seasonal flu vaccine, not polls of who is GOING to get the H1N1 vaccine. How can there be studies on what people are TYPICALLY (meaning what people each year chose to get it) getting the H1N1 vaccine when the H1N1 vaccine has never been available till now and still not for some? I don't even see any studies on who gets what doesn't exist.
You seem to be trying to get out of it now. you clearly stated, in this thread, that "The issue is the H1N1 is not tested in any significant #'s as to it's effectiveness ", even though that is nowhere near the issue raised in this study. I'm happy so long as you understand that this study has NOTHING to do with the effectivness or safety of the h1n1 vaccination and refrain from suggesting otherwise in the future.
YEEEEESSSSSSS I said "The issue is the H1N1 is not tested in any significant #'s as to it's effectiveness " in reference to why they're suspending seasonal flu vaccinations when they could just give the H1N1 vaccine WITH it. It's in the article I linked. THAT'S THE ISSUE causing them to suspend seasonal flu vaccinations just as I said. The study made ONE point and that point was people getting the seasonal flu vaccine (which I shoulda been clearer on) are twice as likely to get H1N1. Where the ISSUE comes with the H1N1 vaccine is why are they just not issuing a statement saying people must be vaccinated with H1N1 vaccine when getting the seasonal flu shot but they are instead SUSPENDING it. Is it just not available to them? Will it not work with the seasonal flu vaccine? Are they questioning it even working in the first place? Come on, this is common sense man. Yes I've already got an opinion on it, I don't want my kids getting it (it meaning H1N1 vaccine) because it's not well tested, not been proven, they're not high risk and it's a weak flu string, and it's not even available to me. Once again, I'm sorry I wasn't clear, I have no problem saying I mis read something (if I had) and I assure you I wasn't playing games. My wife linked the article for me and I posted it quickly before I left for the office to get some thoughts on it. I don't know if there's major communication problems, trust problems here, or you just flat out love to argue any chance you get. But you're wasting your time trying to uncover some big conspiracy with my simply poorly worded post as far as clarity. You've killed it though, for the 3 people that would probably have good input into this with your silly forum detective work.
You are still trying to blur the lines between what this study has found and your own preconceived conclusions regarding the effectiveness and safety of the h1n1 vaccination. Again, this study has nothing to do with the h1n1 vaccination. I'm sorry to say it, but i'm going to have to question your ability to read something and understand it.
By all means, judge away. blurred lines, study has nothing to do with H1N1 vaccine... blah blah blah with weaksauce argument fodder. I've made my points and if they're blurry or irrelevant to you that's too bad I guess. [/st0x] <---- note, not addressing you in the below part, but feel free to argue about something I can address later. Some more interesting points found: http://www.canada.com/life/fashion-beauty/Spread+H1N1+accelerating/2067450/story.html In reference to Canada suspending seasonal flu vaccinations: The more I look @ it, it seems it's not just here but everywhere still isn't getting the H1N1 vaccine. Now the question is, are they planning on suspending the seasonal flu vaccines until the H1N1 vaccines become available to give them together? Or are there concerns still with the theory that antibodies are preoccupied with one over the other? I would expect the mainstream media to pick this up and ask the questions as this study is made public this week which it appears the articles are saying. The fact that seasonal flu shots are being suspended has got to pull this into a hot topic.