Iran has every right to nuclear weapons

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by TG2006, Sep 27, 2009.

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    I think Iran has every right to build nuclear weapons. Why should the US tell other countries what to do, quite frankly it's none of their business!!

    Telling Iran it cant have nuclear weapons yet the US has God knows how many of them :mad:
     
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  2. bfebrian

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    I believe that no country have any right to have nuclear weapons or any other mass destruction weapons.
     
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    Yeah, and everyone has the right to kill someone right??
     
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    this point is as ridiculous as saying "mental patients have every right to firearms".
     
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    Erm
    You will upset all the Americans saying that.................
     
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    Egads... What is the point of this conversation here? Of course they have rights, but since they are having a small civil war right now I don't think it is wise to be shooting off rockets that could carry warheads. Just a thought. Seems a little hostile to me.

    I told everyone years ago the reason we even went into Afghanistan and Iraq was to keep an eye on Iran. No one believed me then, bet you do now though... huh?

    I thought this was cute right here... "mental patients have every right to firearms". I have bipolar disorder and a house full of guns. Now how do you feel? New Years Eve I take all my high-powered rifles out and have a party here in this city of 3 million people. Only hit one or two, no harm done... Right? (Just kidding, I got rid of my guns years ago. Local PD asked me to and I said... Why not?)
     
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    It's so sad to see fears from the 1950s playing out now.

    It is the older generation that is afraid of a nuclear Persia, not us.

    It is our fathers that fear the end of their lives, not us.

    America, you have created your own tempered, disciplined radicals that would love to have Iran develop their own weapon. How else can you test the true character of a person or group if you do not give them the ability to act as freely as they'd like? What is "peace" if it's only maintained by subjugation because of the fear of bodily annihilation?

    I debated my father on this: He's an immigrant and believes the US has the right to tell Persia what to do. He regularly uses the phrase, "we cannot give them nukes."

    Um, who's giving who anything, unless my father knows something I do not...What I do know is that he literally does not believe in Iran's sovereignty to develop what they want within their borders.

    This is a lot of tough talk coming from a guy that moved countries and would have a MUCH different view of America's right to intervene in the world if he had never moved. How asinine is it for someone to believe their nation has a right to police others because it just happens to be the modern Rome/Babylon and controls the world? How crazy is someone to think that economic global dominance isn't backed by a military presence?

    I make dozens of connections to him to explain why the only way to justify Iran's not having a weapon is to get rid of our own, and I'm only met with replies that I am connecting too many things and if I was going to do that we could connect it to a dozen other historical occurrences.

    YES! Of course you can! That's my point exactly! History is not a set of cut up chronology, it's a continuing flow that carries themes and motifs for aeons.

    Iran most definitely has the right to have the weapon and be treated as a Nuclear Power, thus giving their people a MUCH more equal voice in the world. Their citizens must end this nonsense and be the first in the modern history to stop their government; Americans fell on the ball hard during the first decade of 2000.

    Hypocrisy gets us nowhere, Iran must be allowed to get the nuke with full knowledge that use of it will warrant their removal from history books to come.
     
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    The idea is to slowly dissolve all nuclear arsenals. It really doesn't matter how many "nukes" anyone has, if we let loose even a portion of what we still harbor the whole Middle East would be a pile of radioactive dirt.

    We are supposed to limit the spread of nuclear capability not enhance it. So the idea of any new atomic powers coming into existence is out of the question. This will start another cold-war scenario and I personally don't want to live through another one of those.

    I don't care who it is, nobody needs these things for any reason, not even the USA. But since we have them, we will use them if necessary. Trust me on that. Then what? If any other country has the bright idea that firing a nuclear missile at us (or a friend of the USA) is a good plan of action, I would really hate to see the outcome of that. All this talk about bombs and arms is really not an answer.

    Iran needs to get their act together, we really don't care too much about what they have or don't have, it is their own population that is in a bad situation and we are just watching, that's all. It is the Iranian government that is creating the illusion that we are interfering with politics and trying to somehow get our interests back into the country. That is not what we want at all. Right now we need petroleum and will do whatever it takes to make sure we get it. One day we will figure it out and get off the oil train, but when that happens then what happens to the economies in the Middle Eastern countries? They go broke. What else is over there? Sand. Not much else comes out of that part of the world. Maybe diamonds or gold, but we don't need that. Can't run an iPod on gold, can't charge a cellphone on diamonds. Persia might want to consider the ramifications of what will happen when we figure out an alt fuel source, and we are working on it.
     
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    Your dad sounds like a smart man.
     
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    Every country has right to have nuclear weapons
     
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    No they don't. For the same reason that every person doesn't have a right to a firearms licence. Some people, and some countries, can't be trusted.
     
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    Apparently your dad isnt the one with a poor grasp of the situation... cause he isnt the one arguing in favor of a country that doesnt exist vs two other empires that vanished hundreds of years ago. Why use the lingo of internet jihadist wannabes? The is no such country as "Persia"... hasnt been for years. Rome and Babylon havent threatened a soul lately.

    We're talking about real countries and real threats... you're spouting about Biblical empires. Buy a map. We are the US... Rome is just a city, and Babylon dissapeared back when there really was a Persia. The problem is Iran, a real country led by a real fanatic that exists on the planet today. Very few outside their own country and a few internet-born fanatics really want to see Ahmnedenijad with his hand on a nuclear button.

    His own statements indicate he wants nuclear power plants, not bombs... so obviously you think he's a liar too.
     
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    yes, usa, isreal and their poodles (read uk) can't be trusted, everyone needs to build up their defenses
     
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    The only country to have ever used nuclear weapons millitarily are the US, and that was a very long time ago. So yes, they very much can be trusted, as they have proven. Fanatical islamist states, however, can not be trusted.

    Incidently, what country do you live in?
     
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    and who judge who can be trusted ?? you ?? or USA who destroyed two cities ??
     
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    We generally come to a global consensus on these types of things. You do understand why we are reluctant to allow a country like Iran to have nuclear capabilities though, right? I mean, you do see why a country like, say, France can have them and a country like Iran can not?
     
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    Its like giving a gun to a kid instead of an adult... thats how it is.
     
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    yeah, consensus between the gangsters to continue the bullying
    so they can continue to exploit others for their own benefit

    just because you don't like does not mean that anyone else can't beef up their defenses ... can Iran trust america or uk ?


    Ever had a look at the military bases owned by usa?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

    and countries attacked by it since ww2

    http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cach...s+invaded&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a
     
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    Actually it does. Tin pot, primitive, shitty little dust bowls have to do as they are told. If at a later date they stop being a dogmatic little fanatical islamist state then we may allow them to have bigger weapons, but until they can be trusted with them we can't allow them to have them.

    Evidently yes, they can be trusted. Otherwise we would have nuked Iran a long time ago.
     
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    yeah we know ..what UK does ... just like it is told by masters ;)
    no need to tell

    just the other day there was program at TV "Greatest American Dog"
    and with that name of a country flashed in my mind ;) which once bragged that how "sun never sets there" and now they have been reduced to this :(


    yes, I can see your problem , just right there

    more evidence that they can't be trusted
     
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