I'm evaluating a CMS system for a client and they have asked me to look at Kudo Systems, a local NZ company. A reference site is http://www.nzpd.net.nz/ but I'm very concerned that this site has been up for some time and still hasn't got a Google PR. They have no backward links but surely the developers would have submitted to the major search engines? I can see plenty wrong with the html, looks like it's come straight from MSWord but that's not bannable. So, I have to conclude that Google just can't be bothered indexing it. I'm meeting with Kudo in a couple of days and I'd be interested in any feedback you might have. Search Engine traffic is very important to my client. And yes, I could do them a system but the cries of nepotism in this particular case would be deafening.
well first thing I see is that google does have it indexed; ( search "+kudo.co.nz") (and directories) And if you look at the HTML source I can see that there is a great amount of code before any actual text (which is what google is looking for). It is mainly a whole lot of it is Javascript, this can easily be put into a file and just refrence the file instead fo writing it all out. that's a start ... remember that the Google PR is a guesstimate of important inbound links to your site. read; the higher PR sites that link to you have, the higher yours will be.
I don't think they are banned. Instead, I think they are simply orphaned from the rest of the Internet. AllTheWeb (reports all links), shows one wimpy link... http://www.alltheweb.com/search?q=link:www.nzpd.net.nz and Google doesn't have that page in their index: http://www.google.com/search?q=allinurl:www.spydersplay.co.nz/Corporate/prtfl.asp?offset=20 So as far as Google is concerned, they are orphaned... not even a small inbound link. Submitting a URL to be spidered at Google doesn't work on an orphaned page/site. I ran an experiment, where I setup a page with no links to it.. submitted it to Google for spidering 5 times over 6 months, and not only did it never make it to the index, Googlebot never once visited it. It makes me think that the submission form at Google is more a way to keep people from emailing them about being included than actually doing anything. Bottom line is without a single inbound link that Google knows about, it will never be spidered by Google. And of course PageRank is based on links, so 0 links = 0 PageRank always. - Shawn
I think submitting your site to Google will get it indexed, but it takes a lot longer. I set up a site for friend of mine. It was free so maybe I was a little lazy, but all I did was submit to Google. If anyone links to this site, I can't find them. They get next to no traffic - like 10 - 20 hits/month. Almost 2 months after setting up the site, Google showed up. Check it out www.crazyglazeceramics.com I always though the Google submission was garbage, but I can't explain how else this page made it in the index. Any ideas? You're right though...no inbound links....no PR...ever. I've looked high and low for a site to disprove this and can't find a single one.
Strange... I can't find any links to it either (unless maybe someone linked to something that wasn't the main page). Maybe Google submission *does* do something. Or maybe it only does something if the domain isn't in the index already (I was submitting an orphaned page within the digitalpoint.com domain). - Shawn