Why should God let you into heaven when you die?

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  1. jdjaded

    jdjaded Peon

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    #41
    huh? is this question serious? you just submit a CV on your death bed and cross your fingers?

    I'm with stox, don't be ridiculous. I'll take my life now and live it on my terms, thanks.
     
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  2. smile633

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    #42
    Let's make the most our lives: here on earth and then in eternity!
    Did you know you decide in the here and now whether you spend eternity with or apart from God? It will continue the way you live here ... If in Him, you will continue in Him. If apart from Him, you are going to be apart from Him forever. Your choice! Have you decided your enternity yet?
     
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  3. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #43
    Smile, very Beautiful post post, very non judgmental unlike the extremist theists and their extremist atheist counterparts.
     
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  4. CMike111

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    #44
    I am afraid I must disagree with your premise.

    Hell is spoken about in Judaism. It's called gehinnim.

    Also heaven is referred to as the world to come. There are different levels of the world to come.
     
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  5. CMike111

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    #45
    I wanted to add that the focus on judaism is not on avoiding hell.

    Jews are supposed to do what G-D commanded them in order to get closer to G-D.
     
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  6. WeedGrinch

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    #46
    by grace through faith
     
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    #47
    That's really really nice and flowery. It makes me smile. :)

    Too bad you poor suckers are unwilling to accept the identity of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ (according to Christians). You are therefore going to hell. :(

    Have a nice day!
     
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    #48
    I'll take your non answer as a yes George. You're right.
     
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  9. smile633

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    #49
    How can you wish us a nice day after saying "you go to hell"? A day where someone is in hell and knows stays there is NEVER nice! Don't you think?
    The question is how we come OUT OF our daily hell! We need a Hero rescuing us! The only one that I know who can do that the Lord Jesus Christ!
     
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    checksum Notable Member

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    #50
    Belief that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again after three days is what gets us into heaven. If you don't believe that then Jesus can't clean you of your sins before God, which means you go to Hell.

    John 3:16 (New International Version)

    16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Jesus received the punishment for sin (which is death) so we don't have to.
     
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  11. stOx

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    #51
    We call that scapegoating.

    Don't you not think that the idea that the punishment, in this case torture and execution, of someone else can relieve you of your wrongdoings is wholly immoral?
     
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    checksum Notable Member

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    #52
    Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13

    Jesus layed his life down willingly because he knew it was the only thing that could save us sinners.

    If you want to learn more you can read this.
     
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  13. imad

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    #53

    I assume the asker does believe in God, so will answer the question of "why should God let you into heaven"

    you need to define who belongs to God's family if he has any, but I think you mean those who believe in Jesus as the son of God, and their savior,

    God is fair, but if we are to believe that Jesus died for the sins of his followers, then we remove the fairness adjective of God, because he let somebody else get punished for something he did not commit,

    if we are to believe that those who believe in Jesus as the son of God and their savior who died for their sins, and it is enough to accept him like that to go to heaven, no matter what sins the person did, then we are encouraging sin among those who believe in Jesus as their savior, or son of God, and not a prophet who called for saying good and doing good,

    it does not make sense that Jesus spend all his life even if short, calling for good morals, when it is enough to believe in him, to get saved, he would have said, believe in me, and sin as you like, do you think that if you killed somebody, and did a prayer, you would still go to heaven, it does not make sense.

    if we are to believe that those who did not believe in Jesus as their savior, and who believed that they are responsible for their sins, not somebody else, and spent their life doing good, as much as they can, and asking God for forgiveness for their sins and their weakness, and struggled to live in accordance to God teachings, and not to become slaves for their own desire, if we are to believe that those will go to hell, because they did not believe that Jesus is son of God, who died for their sins, then we are also saying bad about God, that he is unfair & unjust, God for sure will account you for the good and the bad, no matter how small or big was each, a smile in the face of a stranger will not go without being rewarded, a punch on his face will not pass without punishment, unless if you repent, and it does not require you to believe in false stories to get rewarded for it, or escape from the punishment of the other, all is counted and all will be accounted,

    God does not need a family or a son, and God, can forgive sins to whomever, without the need to sacrifice somebody else, God also is fair, and he would never punish somebody for something he did not do, and he would never reward somebody for something bad he did just because he repeated some words,

    you won't know where you are going, you only hope to go to heaven, and that what you been told is true, but you need to distinguish between what you like or wish to be true, and the truth, no matter how hard the truth may appear to you.

    So, I recommend you to better understand God, and our existence and why are we here, before you think about the next life, because your next life will depend on this life, if you believe you got it all, and all seems ok for you, then fine, God will never punish those who did not know, be they Muslims, Christians, Jews, pagans, or else, God for sure will punish those who knew they are not on the right path, but insisted to follow it.
     
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  14. Roman

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    #54
    Assuming there is a god, the only chance you have of getting in heaven is picking the "right religion" amongst all the "wrong religions", so basically it's a crap shoot, good luck.
     
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  15. imad

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    #55
    if you knew you are on the wrong path, and did nothing is something.
    if you knew you are on the wrong path, and searched for right path, but did not find it, is another thing.
    if you knew you are on the wrong path, and you knew the right path, but insisted on the wrong, is also another thing.

    and so on..

    whether you aimed at goal and the ball hit your neighbor's window, or directly aimed at your neighbor's window then claimed it was hit by mistake, I do not know, God knows and you, what I know is that the goal has not been hit, and the window been broken in both, but both cases are not the same.

    in other words
     
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  16. northpointaiki

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    #56
    This is off, in terms of Christian theology. Just a brief few examples:

    Basically, Paul chided many of the early Christian communities for just such a thought - "if I'm saved, why the hell should it matter what I do? - it's all forgiven!" His epistles, and many other Christian passages by others, deny this notion.
     
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    #57

    That is abosulutely not true, each religion makes it perfectly clear if you do not buy into it you are damned, again, good luck picking the right one, odds are you go to hell. As for me, I'm having a hell of a time in this life and if there doeas happen to be a god, odds are we'll meet in the same place.
     
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    #58
    Maybe he's into tough love and all :)
     
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    #59
    lol ..

    it is not about odds, it is about learning and knowing, why wait till you go there to find if there is a God or not, when you can now, if you truly wanted to know,

    it is not about "Eni, mini, mini, moo" then pick a paper, then find it is Bluhlalizm, then follow Bluhlalizm even if you think it's all wrong, are you convinced? this is the question that you should ask honestly to yourself.
     
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    Traditione Well-Known Member

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    #60
    You're in heaven when you feel connection with God.

    You're in hell when you feel separation and alone.

    The lonely spirit is the one who learns to endure and temper itself in fire and transform that primal, "negative" energy (Lucifer) to positive (Christ).

    You go to heaven if you lose yourself in this life.

    Do unto others as you would have done unto you; the rest is commentary. Cheers.
     
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