What do you think about the relegion Islam(specialy non-muslims)

We also hear of royalty back in those times getting married at pre-teen years right?, and in lebanon, syria and jordan (plus the palestinians)I havent seen this happening at all (I say these countries because of what I have experienced). On the contrary, I have seen the women there mostly getting married to men that they love. That seems pretty progressive to me. That graph trivia cant be applied to those 3 countries that I have pointed out.

 

Imad, you are right. The acceleration shown in my graph is only because of Islam! it has been proven many times !

eh?

Imad, make simpler posts, 1 or 2 well-phrased points with explanation and comments instead of big salad nonsense please some that I can answer. I didn't understand 90% of your last post. make it short and clear.

 

you always play dumb, when you do not have to play it, the natural always is much more convincing,

besides, a post is lengthy or not depending on the topic that it covers, I can make a short post, I made so many before, but when the issue requires a complete explanation, expect lengthy posts, if you do not know what I mean, check back some of your own posts,

this sentence you made above and where not my words, I wonder why you felt the need to interpret my words, is it because this was really your understanding of my post? or it is your own usual hatred trying to find another entry point in this thread?

there is always something for you that you do not understand in my posts, so you rush to make your own understanding of it, and try to force it on others, even on me the one who originally posted it, by making statements like the above when you should make a question if it was not clear, or ask me if this is what I meant, before you make your own conclusion of what I meant,

but at the same time, I wonder, what is the use? see what I mean NPT?

if the post was not a "salad", you change the original meaning that was meant behind it, to a new meaning that goes along with your idiocy, and if the post or part of it was hard for you to understand, you say a "salad" about it, are you hungry, or stressed, try to satisfy your desires and have some rest before you come to participate in discussions while all you think about is hate and food.

If you are asking whether Islam is with science, or goes in contradiction with science, then Islam indeed been the only religion, that encouraged thinking, and science, starting from the first word revealed in Qur'an which was "Read"

the last part which you failed to understand too: there been so many studies, about the Qur'an, which is not a science book by the way but it included so many scientific signs, these signs been studied by Westerner like Dr. Maurice Bucaille, he is a scientist, and he said there is not contradiction with signs at all, in the contrary:

The Bible, The Qur'an and Science

I recommend you to read it, so you educate yourself a little,

some said, such books are been published after Muslims bribed their authors to publish them, without showing any evidence, and without refuting the facts that been mentioned in these books.

 

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt it muslims that came out with the cure for the death desease during the dark ages?, and didnt they have many contributions when they had their period of enlightenment. Werent they more advanced than most groups at one point?

Maybe all societies and groups go through cycles just as the greeks had their age of enlightenment.

 

Dr. Maurice Bucaille - LMFAO at you imad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Bucaille

If bought and paid for confirmation is what makes you feel better about Islam more power to you. It is rather pathetic that you need the confirmation of a Western doctor who was bought and paid for by the King of Saudi Arabia tell you that everything in the Quran is perfect and agrees with science. It is unbelievable able to me how Muslims refuse any critical look at their own book. It is no surprise that they will always be behind Western cultures in science and every field other than praying to an old book - Muslims win that one.

 

expected, and I already mentioned it, which makes me ask again, where is the evidence, if he worked in Saudi Arabia, it means he been bribed?

it would be more convincing if somebody refuted his book, and proved that he was wrong in whatever he mentioned there.

 

I m not sure here, I know that death is a disease that has no cure, but if "death disease" is a term that is used to describe some other disease that been causing death, and not death itself, then this might be true, but you need to check,

I know that Muslims found cures to many diseases, I'd like to quote Calry Fiorina, HP CEO in her speech:

TECHNOLOGY, BUSINESS AND OUR WAY OF LIFE: WHAT'S NEXT

you can check Muslim Heritage and 1001 Inventions for more about Muslims contribution.

and this contribution did not stop, Muslims are still contributing even if not as before, their last contribution, is the hope for cure of cancer to so many patients around the world:

Egyptian Scientists to Cure Cancer Using Gold Particles

"their period of enlightenment" can be a tricky term, because enlightenment does not pick nations and visit them, it is up to nations if they want to walk on the enlightenment path, and other conditions and factors, but in anyway, if enlightenment been lost in Muslims world, it has not been lost in Islam, or in Muslims, the reason to lose enlightenment for a nation or for an individual can be in two:

- their system ( be it religion, development plan, political movement or esle) was wrong, or not good for all times and places.

- their willingness to follow the system, even if you have the best system ever, but people do not follow it, then it will be useless.

for any nation that been enlightened and lost it's enlightenment then the reason is one of the above two, to know which one exactly you need to make your own research, which should not be hard to find out.

 

imad, it has no merit. The fact that some doctor who working for the Royal family says "oh yeah the Quran agrees 100% will all science" I mean seriously, you are the one offering it to us - you expect us to accept that this is some serious book?

Are we supposed to respect the doctors objectivity? His vast experience and credentials? Get real, can't you see it for what it is? Some of you are so blinded that you will cite anything you think supports Islam - without the slightest care in the world if the work itself has any merit.

Do you expect anyone to take anything this doctor says seriously? Have you read any of the critical analysis of his work? I did, after a couple minutes it was clear what the doctor or was shilling. Gee, I wonder why a doctor who was being paid by the Royal family just happened to write a book saying how the Quran and science are 100% in accordance. You can believe in fairy tales but don't expect the rest of us to join you. No matter how many books like this Islam buys - it looks rather desperate.

 

You do not have to take this doctor's words seriously, but if you can't refute him, then do not expect people to take you seriously when you say they are wrong

 

This is a general problem with all "believers" of the world, whether they are jewish christian or muslims.
They do not converse on the basis of statistics, principles, and evidence. A conversation/debate between two religious people is always an exchange of "examples" and verses. Neighter prove anything, of course.
Imad just can't understand that if the statistics say that in the years 1996-2007 there were 0.021 Israeli publications/capita vs. 0.003 Syrian publications/capita, this means that the Israeli science is 7 times better, and even if he will google up 200 articles of magnificent Syrian scientific works, this just doesn't change the statistics and/or effect their implication. At first he tried to refute the statistics, then he blamed A, then B, then C, then D, and after I dismissed them all, finally he surrendered and retired from the thread (like he did couple of days previously when he ran out of excuses to explain why Israeli arabs want their village to stay UNDER ISRAELI RULE even after a peace treaty is signed, and are willing to die for it). Naturally, he did not have the honesty to say: chaostrivia, you are right, again, like this guy did. he just took off

Religious thinking is simply so different than atheist thinking. This is also very evident when I debate with religious jews. It was so amusing to me that sometimes when I read some of Imad's posts (i.e. on the islamic punishment for thieves) I can really see a ultra-orthodox jew standing in front of me wearing all blackkkkkk.

 

I think you mean dressed in black, you better clarify this

 

I doubt it, considering the other things he has said regarding race.

He was quick to edit it anyway, lol.

 

Imad, and all - family just got back together, after having to unfortunately be apart over the last several days. I'm on break from DP for awhile, and will respond to your comments on my return. I feel it's courteous to either reply to a direct question, or otherwise get back to it, and wanted to let the community know.

-Paul

 

Just coming back in. Timely enough. I print it in its entirety, and ask again - why the hell does not every Muslim join with every other non-Muslim on the planet, to say ENOUGH! These are your sisters, daughters - where is the outrage, rather than the justifications?

 

This post deserves to be on the NEWS all over the world.

How is that possible in the most "humane religion" in the religion where women have "the most rights than any other" things like this to happen???

I think most muslims will hardly reply to posts like this. For very well known reasons.

 

Your again blaming Muslims, but what does Muslims have to do with this ?

Its not legal in Islam teachings which are from the Holy Quran and Hadaith for anyone to be forced into marriage, simple as that.

 

Dodara - I am "again blaming" only what I am able to read, and make no pre-judgments.

Please tell me your response to:

Don't know how many more times I can say this - I don't want to believe this is how Muslims think and feel. When I see Muslims on this site defend this kind of behavior, by trying all kinds of tactics - anywhere from saying a 7-9 year old girl is, in fact, an adult capable of making her own decisions, to saying that, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, it isn't to be questioned - I grow concerned.

Again - are those Yemeni parliamentarians who in effect hand these little girls over to rape, and death - are they, in fact, un-Islamic?

While we're there, how do you feel about:

Am I again "blaming Muslims" for stoning people for screwing around?

I really don't know what else to say, Dodara. By every fibre of what I know of humanity, I cannot build a bridge of understanding to brutally murdering women for adultery, brutally murdering girls for having been raped (by some cockamamie institution of 4 collusive men, asserting the rape victim's "guilt" of adultery; by some cockamamie institution of law that says a woman is in effect worth half a man, in terms of her testimony), committing children to be raped and to die, having been impregnated by a marriage seemingly condoned under Islamic jurisprudence.

I don't want to feel this way - an impregnable barrier between us - but must go by my humanistic sensibilities. If these things represent a vision of an Islamic world, I cannot but vigorously reject it, for me and mine.

 

No, No, No.

You keep accusing Muslims for such behavior and i think you do not have anything else to do except to post same stories and same accusation, when it has been made very clear for you it has nothing to do with Islam.

When its in many cases explained very well to you that:

Islam has nothing to do with this kind of behavior and no one can justify it and if someone did, then his justification can not in any case be based on Islamic laws.

You keep discussing two cases:

1. The marriage of the prophet to Aisha and you believe its wrong and it has been proven to you that your claim is invalid since you can not set an age for marriage and i have spoke about it in details.

2. You keep getting us stories about small girls getting forced to marriage and you link directly to Islam, when you know very well that real Islam and Muslims have nothing to do with such behaviors.

So i think it would be clear for you by that time that:
1. Islam has nothing to do with such behaviors.

2. Marriage of the prophet is not wrong and if its wrong for you or others, you can not prove it when logically its proven to be normal and since you can not prove your claim then you can not apply it on us and then your accusation and claim is invalid, simple as that.

 

So you are saying that the members of the Yemeni parliament are not real Muslims and that when they say they are trying to follow sharia or Islamic law we should disbelieve them?

 

Actually, I don't keep discussing "2 cases." I see more and more of this crap, and it enrages me - if the incidents stopped, I'd have nothing more to discuss.

YOu have merely proceeded backwards from a presumption that marriage to and sex with children, having been undertaken by Muhammed upon Aisha, was "normal," and therefore, nothing untoward is to be construed from the practice, even unto today. This is a tautology, and in using it, you're not alone. But it does no more to serve your argument than any other tautology.

You keep saying this stuff I raise - children married off to middle aged assholes who rape, impregnate and destroy them - has nothing to do with Islam - yet it is being justified, specifically on Islamic grounds, in Islamic societies. Where's your rage?

You keep saying, I am linking it up, out of some bigoted agenda, I guess. I get tired of asking the same questions, only to have them unanswered. The latest:

You cool with stoning adulterers?

You cool with the only requirement to prove adultery being 4 males - who, logically, can very well have an interest in colluding with a husband whose wife, let's say, is sick of being married to him?

Am I "making it all up" with regards to stoning, as well as as regards the young girl of this story, who died as her body wasn't ready for pregnancy?

Am I making it all up, that as opposed to what you have stated elsewhere - that reasoning, questioning and so forth are in fact part of Islam, prior to my "break," I asked this:

Why do you go to such extraordinary lengths? Do you agree with this stuff, or not?

3:00 in the a.m. here, and I'm tired. I'm actually tired of all these discussions, because it seems we get nowhere. I cannot accept your vision for humanity, just as you cannot accept mine, it seems. But the charge it is all to be ascribed to some anti-Muslim bias wears thin, Dodara. I think I, and many others, have either been subjected to the most massive, and heinous snow job in the history of mankind, or the things we're talking about - a Taliban, proclaiming itself as exemplar of Islamic theocracy, shooting women in a stadium before throngs of cheering men; young girls being stoned to death as "adulterers," having been raped; children being married, raped, and killed; and the rest, as discussed over the last few weeks - leaves many of us with a legitimate concern with what an Islamic world would truly be like.