Joe Wilson calls President a Liar then his site crashes

How funny can things get . First Jow Wilson heckles Obamas health care speech which in return makes him the most spoke about person on the net....well, at least for today.

Wikipedia cancels the "edit" option on Wilson after numerous people seized the opportunity to whoop his ass. Then his site http://www.joewilson.house.gov/ crashed due to a bandwidth problem and left nothing but simple message declaring "Due to exceptionally high traffic, this site is temporarily unavailable."

Why done they just slap a load of google ads on the site and make a meal of it.....

At least he will be able to buy himself a new suit with his frist ad sense check ;-p

 

Joe is selling himself to the health insurance companies already. There are plenty of Benjamins in his pocket.

 

Yea he is claiming he is trying to save the US government and Citizens Wallets and all he is doing is adding to his.

 

FYI, the site did not crash. It was overloaded. Its not "his" site. Its run by the house and hosted by the house. It was the house's servers that were overloaded with people trying to thank Joe for doing the will of the people!

Luckily his email still worked and a great many of us were able to email him to thank him for his patriotic service to our nation.

Here it is:

 

How's heckling someone the will of the people?

What he did was childish.

 

Calling out the president when he is lying is hardly what I would call heckling. The president lied and he was called on it.

Heckling is when you try to embarrass and annoy someone speaking in public. I very much doubt that Wilson was attempting to embarrass the president. He does that well enough on his own without someone helping him.

 

Mia believes the President must have a certain skin color to garner respect.

I hope this helps explain things a little.

 

Really? What gives you that idea? Please elaborate on what you are trying to say. If you are going to make accusations, please be prepared to back them up.


Unbelievable.

 

Is that you Jimmy?

 

Can someone definitively explain how what the President said was a lie? His exact words were:

Keeping in mind a few things before you proceed --

A) the definition of a lie being the willful intent to deceive and all...

B) When the President says "the reform" he is speaking of the end product which he intends to sign. In other words, for him to be lying the bill he intends to sign would actually have to exist. It doesn't....

C) H2 3200 (the most popular bill) contains a section 246 which is literally titled NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. (verbatim) The other bills contain similar language and always have well before the President's speech.

The straw man argument I've seen around the web is that because health providers can't ask for ID then ipso-defacto illegals will get care.... OK putting aside the fact that you'd have to be a moron to not realize the difference between them getting care via the no ID rule (WHICH THEY DO ALREADY TODAY) and being insured,....... you do realize that illegal aliens would not be able to apply for and be insured which is what the reforms are about.. right?

Now I understand using the word "lie" fits perfectly with your agenda if you want to demonize the President. But seriously, you're telling me this is the best word you could find?

Do you guys really think that rational people who haven't already chosen a side in this debate are going to come to your side when you're using silly baited rhetoric like this?

 

Because (and you would have had to have actually read the bill to realize this) the numbers that Obama uses to include in those listed as "uninsured" contains the inclusion of several million illegals.

That's only part of it. Read the bill and read between the lines. Don't be a simpleton and listen to what others tell you. Think for yourself.

It's time to get off the kool-aid.

According to the CRS:

"Under H.R. 3200, a 'Health Insurance Exchange' would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange."

Look, even Obama has not read the bill. Maybe he does not know he's lying?

 

Which bill? You see you would have had to actually read my post to realize that there is no one bill. Only multiple pending pieces of legislation. None of which was the president talking about.

"The reform" he is talking about is the actual reform that he signs into law at the end of all this bickering and he, in his own words, has stated once it is signed "I own it".

Oh I assure you I have -- and I do

You got me here, I have no idea who the CRS is.

OK this is the part that confuses me. You demand that I read the bill yet post this nonsense quote about the bill as if it has any basis whatsoever in fact. You know that "Section 246" you keep hearing about? Well... it's in HR 3200, the bill you apparently read?



I'm not trying to be right with nuance here. That image clearly makes the part I bolded from your quote absolutely and unarguably false.

 

It does explain a lot. Wouldn't put it past him to believe something of the sort.

 

Congressional Research Service (CRS) says that H.R. 3200 will cover illegals.

The operative phrase you are looking for in the bill is 'Health Insurance Exchange'

Read up!

 

First let me say I honestly don't care if illegals are covered or not in this bill, because they go to the emergency room anyways for anything they need covered and tax payers typically pick up the bill as it is.

HOWEVER, something's not right here, if Obama isn't lying, he's not telling the whole story. He's made it clear already his intentions are to make everyone illegally here become legal asap.

Obama said immigration reform will start moving by the end of this year...

Obama Quote from last week: “We can create a system in which you have strong border security, we have an orderly process for people to come in, but we're also giving an opportunity for those who are already in the United States to be able to achieve a pathway to citizenship so that they don't have to live in the shadows.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...-to-start-moving-by-the-end-of-the-year-.html

There are some even better quotes than that out there that are more clear where he specifically uses the term "legalize" but I think this recent one is clear enough even for Obama fanbois in denial.

I've been reading a lot about this and it appears he wants to make it possible for everyone here illegally to eventually become US citizens, but very quickly become legally here (which qualifies them for the public option.)

So, whether the bill covers them or not it matters very little because they will all be given a legal status so those that are currently illegal WILL be covered if Obama's healthcare reform and immigration reform passes as he wants. While out of line and disrespectful, I can see the reasoning behind Wilson calling him a liar for this.

 

You could have just said, OBAMA is a liar. That would have been easier.

 

Reseq, I respect your position, and appreciate your putting intelligence and thought to this. To be honest, I need to read more of the source material on this, and reflect accordingly.

The cynic in me thinks in purely Machiavellian terms. From your perspective, what benefit would Obama yield by putting illegals currently living here to (1) be on the fast track to legalization; (2) be privy to the healthcare to be provided, esp. under such exigent circumstances as we now face, and especially when it's already a tough sell, without the wrinkle of adding a huge swath of previously uncovered to the "covered" pool?

In other words, if one thinks cynically, why would he do this? What reward is to be reaped?

Is it, in your mind, a simple calculus - fast track illegals, give them healthcare, and they are a wide net of votes not previously had?

 

While I don't think it's totally for political reasons, I think it's a driving factor.

What they get from making everyone already here legal is, well, the population doesn't technically go up, yet they would suddenly be able to potentially collect billions more per year in taxes. Many billions of dollars are sent to Mexico each year by illegals who were paid under the table and are sending it to families. If they can make those here illegally suddenly be legal they will collect taxes on their wages much easier. After all, these people are already going to the ER for anything and everything costing the government/tax payers a lot of money.

Another thing is of course votes. While many are against it now, they will try and put the guilt trip on people like they have with healthcare. Just like they said poor people can't afford health insurance and get good care, they will say people have lived here for many years and had children here, we can't rip those families apart. They will not only get the votes of those made legal, but the sympathizers who truly feel they are doing a good thing.

I'm not saying I'm against this either, I'm just telling it like it is because I think there's more to what's going on than people are seeing. I do feel Obama isn't fully driven by politics, I think he feels he's doing what is right for the people, for his country, and of course for his party. I just don't agree with how he's doing some of it, especially the healthcare coverage and the crazy spending and bailouts. I think Obama is out of touch with a lot of things. If he had owned, run, or even been an executive in a business that made big decisions he would see the other side of things.

 

Exchange, Co-Op, Public Option.... They don't change the absolutely clear language here. Let's have another look.



It is irrefutable (hence you're not actually trying to refute it.), and not open to interpretation. Section 246 proves that what you claim the CRS said "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange." is patently untrue. Do you agree?


That statement covers all 3. Exchange, Co-Op, Public Option. No matter which it is, section 246 specifically denies federal payment for illegals.

Now, bringing it all back full circle because the topic here is whether the Pres lied. The irony here is that we can argue about the current bills until the cows come home. It's completely irrelevant. The FINAL BILL, which is what the president will actually sign and what happens to be "the reforms" he was promising doe snot exist yet. So let's be intellectually honest, you're literally trying to make him a liar by saying he is lying about what the final reform bill will contain before the reform bill even exists... That, is what is happening here.

 

Here is a link to the CRS report on HR 3200 if anyone wants to read through it.