Why the "prophet" Muhammad never learned the alphabet? Even fools know it ...

Well I have no intention persuading anybody to believe in what I believe. That was not the idea. I was just sharing the history that should be known to all readers of this thread so that the facts are revealed and the misunderstandings are cleared.

 

In regards to Syed Maududi's commentary:

First of all, many of the people you speak of weren't muslims, they were Jewish. Don't take for granted that they believed "Allah revealed to their Prophet Moses." I'm sure many believed G-d revealed himself to Moses, but did not believe muhammad was inspired by G-d. So they... were satisfied with their life, and "loved to cling to it". But this had to change, right? I think many had doubts, otherwise there wouldn't have been such a high percentage that weren't loyal to islam, knowing muhammads biography, I have no doubt some level of coercion was applied. There is so much wrong with this, I can hardly begin. It basically sounds like a story about taking people that are happy with their lives, trying to force feed a different belief system on them, then punishing them for not being enthusiastic about it.

 

Looking forward for an explanation on this interesting sentence.
"At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam"

 

I'm not sure why do you find it that hard to understand with that statement. Anyway now that you have already known the true meaning of Islam, let me explain a bit further of where exactly was Islam originally born.

The origin of Islam dates back to the creation of the world. All the prophets who came to this world preached the same message of believing in one God and to accept them as His messenger. The prophets were also blessed with a manifestation of divine will or truth. Likewise, Prophet Mohammad was also a messenger of God. He revealed the truth and the way of life through the Holy Quran.

Before the birth of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), the Arab society was sunk into darkness. Although the Arabs believed in the unity of God, but they also claimed that God has entrusted His duties to various gods, goddesses and idols. For this purpose, they had more than 360 idols. They considered angels as the daughters of God. They were ignorant of social values. They were nomadic people who were dependent on cattle for their living. There was no government or law. All power existed with the rich. The society was full of barbarity and brutality. Tribes fought with each other over trivial matters for centuries. A slight argument over horses or water could lead to the slaughtering of thousands of innocent people.

So now does that statement make sense to you?

 

I was curious more about this Arabic word so I googled it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=munafiqin

The first result when I search was this page:

http://www.metalog.org/files/hadith/19.Hypocrites.htm

Yikes, that does not sound good. I have no idea anything about that site other than it ranked #1.

Anyway, I am sure you understand why non-Muslims would be concerned about the exact meaning of some of these passages which could be interpreted as threats to non-Muslims.

 

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......... not quite yet.


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First, I need to understand what excatly do you call "Islam"? Not just the "meaning of the word" but the essence of the word.
If Islam = Quran + Sirah + Hadith, then there was no islam before the 7th century. Which makes this sentence "The origin of Islam dates back to the creation of the world" - absurd.
If Islam is not Quran + Sirah + Hadith, then start by explaining what EXACTLY you call Islam. I don't understand. 2,000 years BEFORE Mohammed, when the jews built the temple in Jerusalem, invented morality, live their life in their old country in peace and never heard of arabs and arabic. How can this period of history coexist with your sentence: "The origin of Islam dates back to the creation of the world". What is Islam?

In other words,
1) Islam = Quran + Sirah + Hadith
2) "God revealed the truth and the way of life through the Holy Quran."
From 1+2 = Those who lived before the quran could not have possibly known "Islam". Of course that they were "ignorant of Islam"! if "he revealed(=for the first time) the truth and the way of life through the Holy Quran". The sentence of Maududi in that case is........ you know. rubbish.

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And now we get to the big question.
Why did he wait for the 7th century to "reveal the truth" and the way of life through the Holy Quran? why not reveal the truth and the way of life 5,000 years before that to Moses or 1,400 before that to Jesus? why reveal the truth in Hebrew for the 1st time, then in Koine Greek (Latin) for the 2st time, and then in Arabic for the 3rd time. Is god suffering from a language psychological disorder?

I just don't understand your picture of the world. Do you understand it yourself? You use nice words that just don't mean anything because they self-contradict out have no definition. just a big salad of words.

before you can convince me with a thesis, before I can even start to think if it is likely to be true of not, it should be at least self-consistent. So please settle the contradictions I mentioned above.

 

That site describe the meaning of munafiqin clearly through the eyes of non Muslim.. well they surely did a good job in making their site the first in the SERP...

Well let me guide you to the right path..

First of all you must understand the true meaning of hypocrite in Islam. A hypocrite in Islam is one who saw Islam, accepted its principles, embraced it, went along with it, but when his life style and preferences were challenged, Islam had failed with him. He knowingly wouldn't follow Islam because it would violate a certain life style that he adopted, ego, or standard that is too important to him, even though it directly violates Islam.

The difference between a hypocrite and a normal Muslim who sins, is that a hypocrite adopts an unacceptable life style and actions, and insists on following it, while a normal Muslim knows that he is wrong, tries to resist doing sins, but unfortunately sometimes, he still falls into sinning due to immaturity or physical weaknesses.

In a nut shell, this is what a hypocrite is in Islam. A hypocrite is a "Muslim". He is not an apostate (murtadd), nor is he a polytheist or idol worshiper (mushrik), nor is he an atheist (mulhid). A hypocrite does declare Islam as his religion, and in some cases even prays to GOD Almighty and fasts the month of Ramadan. Not everyone who Prays to Allah Almighty, however, is a good Muslim.

Now regarding that site, I suggest you to refer to this site regarding the history behind the ayah pertaining this munafiquin. Hope you get a clearer understanding:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Quran/maududi/mau9.html

 

Thanks for the clarification. I like your version better.

 

It clearly shows that you do not understand about the whole picture. Let me explain it by emphasising the concept of messengers and his books.

Firstly you should know that Allah sent his messengers, together with his books. A number of Divine Books, big and small, were revealed to the prophets. The big ones are called the Books and the small ones are known as scrolls. And all those were delivered in many different languages to suit the targeted group. The Holy Quran is in Arabic language which is one of the most prestigious languages of this world in the sense of keeping ability to survive successfully with the passage of time.

The whole number of the Divine Books is one hundred and four. Out of which one hundred are not given any distinctive name are known as the Books of the Prophets. Muslims believe in all the revealed books which are mentioned in the Quran. These are Torah of Moses, Zabur (Psalms) of David, Injil (Gospel) of Jesus and the Quran revealed to Muhammad (pbuh). So now there's no question of Allah not "revealing the truth". The fact is it was revealed continuously over the time. And your statement of "the truth in Hebrew for the 1st time, then in Koine Greek (Latin) for the 2st time, and then in Arabic for the 3rd time" is also wrong, since there are other books which was delivered even earlier than those.

Of the divine books, only the Quran exists in its original form, unchanged and unmixed which was revealed to Muhammad portion by portion during a period of twenty-three years. The Quran is also known as the Furqan, the distinguisher. It is to be the compendium of the Torah, Zabur and Injil; so Muslims do not require to study these books.

Zabur, Torah and Injil are not available in their original form and language. Even their original texts do not exist. These books were compiled by their followers after many years of the death of the Prophets to whom they were revealed. Their compilers have modified, changed and distorted Allah's words. They have mixed divine words with those of human beings.

The Bible which is a combination of the Old Testament and the New Testament, has been translated into English from available Greek manuscripts. The Old Testament includes five books of the Pentateuch (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy), Books of Ezra, Psalms and others.

The New Testament includes four gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospel of Barnabas which appears to be the most authentic version of Prophet Isa's life is not included in it.

Regarding your statement of "If Islam = Quran + Sirah + Hadith, then there was no Islam before the 7th century". By now you should have understood that from Muhammad till the end of the day, the guidance to Islam is through Quran, supported with the hadith. However Islam before, was guided through all other older books. Therefore your statement "Those who lived before the Quran could not have possibly known "Islam" is wrong.

 

Now I understand!
In other words you say: "there are no Muslims, jews, christians or japanese". All of humanity is Muslims and if they not accept Mohhamed, they have a big problem?
like, in your world, jews are not people who believe in a completely different religion with totally different morality and principles.
Jews are actually "Muslims" who are not on the "right way". And god willing they will return one day to the right way. It is your job to guide them back to the right way and "cure the disease in their heart". Am I understanding you correctly?

 

And I am really tired to hear this stupid lie that Muslims repeat again and again and again.
The last change in the old testament was made before Mohammed, in the 3rd century (according to secular researchers, a thing that does not exist in Islam) or in the 5 century BC (according to the traditional view). In all of history, the changes are minor and cosmetic: 18 words that mention god were changed just to give him more respect.

educate yourself instead of repeating the stupid lies you hear in the hatred preachings at the mosque!

 

Wrong. Haven't you learnt that God is the most forgiving? Hell is a punishment for both muslims and non-muslims. Both will go there and they spend their time there just like a criminal spends his time in jail. After his time is over, he gets to enter the heaven.

The only difference would be that, because "true" muslims practiced, they would have a short time (don't tell me u haven't comitted sins), and the non-muslims would have to spend a greater time...

Another thing is that, it is said before the end of the world, the whole of the world would be following Islam. There are more on this, but that'll get WAY TOO off topic

In SA women are not allowed to drive because of the traffic there... SA has a really fast traffic, on a main road the LEAST driving speed is 70kmh / 45mph (yes u are given a ticket if you driver slower), while average speed is 100kmh / 60mph - 120kmh / 75mph. Allowing women to drive would be making driving worse. Tho women are allowed to drive inside private residential compounds out of the city streets

Literal meaning of Islam is "Submission to Allah", talking on a whole, the main concept of Islam is peace...

The tribe of Quraish was the enemy of the Prophet. It was them who tried to kill him... In Quran everything is addressed for them. Altho, later it was revealed (after the Muslims mgrated and had a more peaceful life) that only those who try to harm you are ur enemies, and you should not befriend them. Hell awaits them. Those who live kindly with you, and mean no harm, then there is no problem having good relations with them...

Stupid lies? If you ever try comparing christianity and islam, both are almost the same... Just as Mohammed was a prophet after Christianity was revealed, there are changes, which are also due to the different locations of both the Prophets...

 

....................oh...ehhmm.... I see.... ehhhm.... errrr..... how dare I think that they can not drive because they are inferior? they are just too short to hit the gas! man. awsome.
p.s. in Israel the minimum speed is also 70Km/h on the highway, and women can handle it very well. My wife drives faster than myself.
I like DP... speaking with voices from the bronze age is so nice

 

To be precise, all of humanity is Muslims as long as they testify that there is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and that Muhammad is a Messenger (Prophet) of God.

And yes, being a Muslim it is our obligation to show to others non believers the true path of Islam. And yes, InshaAllah with god will before the end of the day, all of us, regardless whether you're a Jews, Christian, Hindus, Buddhis, Islam or anything else will be united as a Muslim once again.

BTW do you know that upon entering the fold of Islam purely for the Pleasure of God, all of one’s previous sins are forgiven, and one starts a new life of piety and righteousness. MashaAllah...

 

Doesn't Christianity believe that before the end of the world, the whole world would be following Christianity?

It is only the incredibly smart and religion of my small, incredibly smart people, that takes care of its own business and doesn't make plans and punishments for the people of other religions. Its two cruel modifications, namely Christianity and Islam, brought a lot of trouble to the world. Islam is expected to caues much more trouble in the future.

 

This is exactly why Islam is dangerous and intolerant. You have plans for me, I don't have plans for you. This is exactly the ideaology of ben-laden? no? what is the difference then between you and him? that ben-laden supports the use of force to achieve it and you don't?
but in the quran the use of force is explicitly allowed.
Terrible religion.

 

Only speed is not an issue. SA also has quite a high crash rate... try Youtubing saudi drifts, that is what crazy saudis do on highways, and also youtube saudi car skating... And there are more issues...

Besides, women don't really have to drive even if allowed. You wanna go somewhere? you get a taxi anywhere u stand, and they're cheap too...

Don't quite understand u

 

My dear brother. Don't over react please. You simply got me wrong..

 

Huh.. you are over reacting again with your naive way of thinking... did I ever put any words in regards to force. Since when did by showing others non believers the true path of Islam is considered a force movement. In Islam you are asked to show the truth in many forms, that includes even with the smallest way by just a prayer in your heart.. to kill an innocent people is never the teaching in Islam.. only extremist do so.. similarly I don't believe that all Jews are bad, but zionis for sure is...

your statement clearly shows how hatred you are with the Muslims.. no point explaining all those lengthy post I made for you then... you just never change ain't you.. same old attitude problem.. you're just wasting my time... go jerk off dude.. I know you guys are good at that..

 

so you should ban the men from driving and allow only women to drive. the crash rate will fall to almost zero. At least in Israel, 85% of the killers on the road are men (2008 statistic).
How primitive can you be? I really hope you're joking. especially with the taxi....