China’s Muslim Uyghurs Forbidden to Fast During Ramadan

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    Chinese authorities in Xinjiang Province have issued a notice that any Uyghur cadres or workers found not eating lunch during Ramadan could lose their jobs.

    It is part of the campaign of local authorities in Xinjiang, home to the Muslim Uyghur ethnic group, to force the Uyghur people to give up their religious rituals during the fasting month of Ramadan.


    According to Dilxat, Uyghur Communist Party cadres throughout Xinjiang had been forced to sign “letters of responsibility” promising to avoid fasting and other religious activities. They are also responsible for enforcing the policy in their assigned areas, and face punishment if anyone in these areas fasts.

    For the first time, Dilxat said, the crackdown has extended to retired Communist Party members. Current cadres are required to visit them to prevent them from participating in the fast. If anyone violates the ban, local leaders will be held responsible and severely punished, he said.

    Muslim restaurant owners are forced to sign a document to remain open and continue selling alcohol during Ramadan or have their licenses revoked, he said.

    Monks in mosques are forced to preach to others that fasting is a “feudal activity” and harmful to health, said Dilxat. Otherwise, their religious certification will be cancelled.

    When asked about Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leader Hu Jintao’s recent visit to Xinjiang, Dilxat said: “Xinjiang’s situation has not yet returned to normal. Rather than asking the local Han people to respect the religion and culture of Uyghur people, Hu encouraged the use of military troops to suppress and further restrict our religious freedom. The communist regime often talks about ‘maintaining stability,’ but what they do is always different from what they say. They are actually the ones who are destroying stability.”

    An Epoch Times reporter contacted the CCP’s State Ethnic Affairs Commission to see whether the restrictions claimed by Dilxat were official, or what the official stance on Ramadan was. The media contact wouldn’t speak on the subject, instead giving two numbers in Xinjiang that he said the reporter would be able to call to find out more. Both numbers were continually busy, and when the reporter called the State Ethnic Affairs Commission back, the man hung up.

    The directives are communicated on official Web sites in the region, however.

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/21899/
     
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    I guess the west is not that bad afterall now isnt it??? ;) Who ever said that china permitted "Freedom of religion"? Think the buddhists have it any better?? When I think about all the restrictions on personal freedom in China the last thing that concerns me is freedom of religion. On days where I am feeling particularly nasty I might go as far as to say that its one thing the chinese got right. But then again, where does it stop???
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Yep, China is just as repressive against minority religions just like most Muslim countries.

    New, when are you going to complain that Saudi Arabia doesn't allow the bible or Christians to openly practice their faith? You wouldn't just be a hypocrite who thinks Muslims should get rights in every other country but they are free to oppress people in their own lands - are you?

    Do you think it is wrong for Saudi Arabia to ban the open practice of Christianity?


    Should all Islamic countries be forced to allow the practice of other religions?
     
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    new Peon

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    I won't be a hypocrite like you and your govt who are actually in love with the saudis , and why won't they be as all that saudi monarchs do is serving american interests


    If it is true than It is wrong for Saudia, Islam does not to restrict anyone from practicing their religion and neither is there any concept for monarchy in Islam
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Really where have I ever supported the Saudis? I have made my position on the Saudis very clear on this forum many times. You specifically mentioned me and my country as two separate entities. Was there any support for your claim that I love the Saudis or shall we just conclude you made it up?

    I think you are saying the right thing here, but you used a double negative and you literally said was that "It is wrong for Saudia, Islam not to restrict anyone from practicing their religion"

    I think you meant to say that it is wrong for Islam to restrict anyone from practicing their religion. You stuck one too many negatives in there so what you actually are trying to say is not clear. (Of course, I think you and many others do that on purpose. There is no reason to avoid answering simple questions with simple answers unless you are embarrassed by your answer)
     
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    China is taking things too far. I am afraid the day will come when there could be a huge revolt in china. you just cannot suppress people's faith. It's a crime. It's unfortunate that China is repeatedly doing it, firstly it was against Christians and now against Muslims.
     
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    This is the umpteen time I ask this question. Can you answer it???

    What Islamic nations allows other religions to practice freely without persecution???
     
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    which don't allow? can you tell me?
    where is it BANNED ?
     
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    I heard some other news that the group of labour working in Saudia Arabia converted to ISLAM!
     
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    Saudi Arabia doesn't ban practice of other religions. You are free to live there being a christian...

    How is this related to this thread? :confused:
     
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    Yes, they do. I said the "open practice of Christianity". I did not say they don't allow Christians to live there - they do. They just FORBID them from publicly practicing their religion - while allowing Muslims to do so. I guess you have no problems if Western countries tell Muslims they can be Muslims but don't go to Mosque and don't pray in public. C'mon man, you know that is total bullshit.

    Why would you defend the oppression of religious minorities?
     
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    I am not talking about some government decree that outlaws other religions. I am speaking of persecution. Are non-muslims not persecuted/oppressed in:
    Indonesia
    Malasia
    Pakistan
    Afghanistan
    Somalia
    Sudan
    Iran
    Iraq
    SA
    Yemen
    Kuwait
    Egypt
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    .
     
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    Yep.
    China is intolerant not only to Islam but to all other religions/groups. Like the famous Falun Gong example. Some Israelis I know who immigrated from China also told me that they could not practice their religion freely.
    So new, if your point is that China is just as intolerant as the muslims towards other religions, it seems that finally we agree on something.

    jezzzz: here's for you, a report about the intolerance against non-muslims in Pakistan
     
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    You are not banned to practice your religion in Pakistan. Lol, don't believe everything you see on TV. If anything, you are categorized as a 'Minority', but everyone is allowed to practice their religion.


    @ChaosTrivia: This is just a propaganda. Many children don't even have tents to live in, they just sleep on road sides. Media is just focusing on one comminuty and sending the wrong message. Pakistan is a 3rd world country. Nothing like canada/usa. The point being, I have never seen anyone being targeted becuase he/she is non-muslim. Although, muslims within themselves do have problems. I personally don't only rely on Media, talking face to face works for me. Anyways, I hope this helps clear out any misunderstandings.

    -Thanks
     
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    yes Islamic nations allow other religions to flourish. How come you had developed this notion that Islamic countries persecute members of other religion?
     
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    Read my original post. Where did I say BANNED????? :confused:
    As for persecuted... That is a whole different ball game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Pakistan
    Yeah, I know Wikipedia.... What can I say. If I don't use it chaos go ballistic on me.
     
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    Please be more specific.
     
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    So this means all of christians are treated like this in Pakistan? I just wanna get things clear. I'm not a person who would start a virbal war, it will make no different to me nor anyone else. I still can't believe how you can categorize 172 million people (i think i got the number right) just because of 1 article, which says the truth that some christian kids are being held at a tent or whatever. But this doesn't mean all of them are. Please make your intensions clear, this is probably my last post here.

    -Thanks
     
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    I would be the last one to say that ALL muslims persecute other religions. I asked what nation(s) can people of other religions live without fear of persecution. I can think of only a few (i.e. Turkey).
     
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    Seriously don't mention something when you haven't been to that particular country.:D Media is a controlled resource and not authority news. They are not banned from practicing their own religion. If that particular Muslim country banned from practicing the people to practice their own faith than that is not according to Islam.
    Islam does not force people to convert to Islam and allow non Muslim believers to practice their own belief. As simple as that.
     
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