Who is the most effective religious leader?

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  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #41
    I don't practice regularly enough to know... Igues something has changed :rolleyes:

    Ignorance really is bliss...:D

    In other words you do not want to answer the question.
    Fair enough. Pretty typical.
    And also with you!



    And you are calling me nuts?:rolleyes:
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #42
    I see it says some catholics believe it becomes the body and blood, but I will have to ask you does it? You are claiming that they drink blood.

    I didn't read anything in there about cross worship. How does that work?
     
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    #43
    "The Ramadan Mocharist is unfortunately, one of the most neglected Ramadan observances. It's said that while Muhammad was eating his last meal, he established the Ramadan Mocharist, as a tradition for the faithful to remember him by. As Muhammad tore the crust off his slice of bread, he exclaimed "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me!" The blood warriors begin to chant, and as Muhammad raised a cup up to his lips he said, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." The Ramadan Mocharist celebrates the eating of Muhammad, before he was led away to die on a cross for your sins."
    Source: ramadan ul mubarak

    p.s. In case you're wondering, ramadan ul mubarak is my blog.:)
     
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    LogicFlux Peon

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    #44
    That sounds a bit familiar doesn't it?
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #45
    Lol. Yea, the bolded part is straight out of Corinthians, regarding the last supper of jesus...

    "The Ramadan Mocharist is unfortunately, one of the most neglected Ramadan observances. It's said that while Muhammad was eating his last meal, he established the Ramadan Mocharist, as a tradition for the faithful to remember him by. As Muhammad tore the crust off his slice of bread, he exclaimed "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me!" The blood warriors begin to chant, and as Muhammad raised a cup up to his lips he said, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." The Ramadan Mocharist celebrates the eating of Muhammad, before he was led away to die on a cross for your sins."
     
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    debunked Prominent Member

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    #46
    So mohamud tried to copy Jesus? Couldn't he do something original instead?


     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #47
    Catholics do not worship the cross. The cross is merely a icon with which to describe the crucified Christ. I really do not recall "worshiping" anything. Praying, giving thanks, and praise... Yes. Worship? No.

    The host, or eucharist at holy communion again is merely symbolic. It's wine and bread that was blessed at Christ's last supper and as such is blessed by a priest during mass for the purpose of partaking in that same ceremony. We eat the bread and drink the wine, body and blood as blessed in remembrance of Christ.

    In reality its a Christian (not just Catholic) sacrament done in commemoration of Christ's or the Lord's Last Supper. Again, all of this as it was then and is now was done symbolically. Many believe Christ did this in order to show that he was giving his life, body and blood to us, even after having been betrayed that night by one of his own disciples.

    He made the ultimate sacrifice by giving up all of himself to those around him, even those who might not have been worthy. How anyone can find fault with this concept in the proper context defies all imagination.
     
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    #48
    And who is the most effective religious leader then in your eyes?
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #49
    Who are you asking?
     
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    #50
    Anyone! You for example. Just interested in listening what people think. We are very diverse!
     
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    #51
    Continuing the side issue of the Eucharist in the Catholic Church; it has always been a fascinating one, to me, as a comparative religions subject. It isn't accurate to say the Eucharist is to be considered merely a symbolic rite, made in memory of the historical Christ. By the doctrine of transubstantiation, it is the liturgical view of the Catholic church that the sacramental wine and bread, consecrated by a priest, undergo a transformation - "transubstantiation" - into the literal blood and body of Christ.

    From the Council of Trent - at which time this issue of "symbolism" v. a literal "transubstantiation" was made very clear, for followers of the Catholic Faith:

    And from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

    Much like the notion of the "mystery" of the Godhead, which makes it problematic to declare a faith containing three "aspects of God" in a triune godhead is still to be considered a unitary, monotheistic religion, the issue of transubstantiation has made it difficult to easily dismiss what some contend - that the Eucharist is in essence a cannibalistic rite, at least under the liturgical view of transubstantiation.
     
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