source For those who do not really know the purpose behind this wall, it is simply to make an open air prison of the West Bank, similar to the one in Gaza, it restricts the movement of Palestinians, it takes about 50 miles full of check points, to travel between two towns where the real distance between them is only 5 miles, besides it eats much of Palestinian lands in West Bank. Thank you Norway, Palestinians really appreciate true defenders of human rights.
How horribly anti semetic of them, i think Israel must take steps in the future to ensure Norway does not set up death camps or try to push them all into the sea.
let me guess what we have coming here imad You are blinded by your hate of jews, imad You are uncivilized barbarian imad You are uneducated imad You don't know how much technologically advanced isreal is imad I feel sorry for your mental level imad blah blah ...balah ..blah
Hey Imad, after I heared it on the news I logged in to see it here, and you didn't let me down. Very fast. Good job buddy. جيد جداً ! . Couple of points I would like to raise in this context, if I may. Point #1 The barrier, although posing a great suffering on the palestinian people, has been a HUGE success in stopping the suicide bombings and murder missions that came from the west bank. The barrier is not complete yet, but is already enough to drastically reduce the number of Israeli civilian casualties of the palestinian terror: from 450 between the years 2000-2005, to 23 between the years 2006-2009. Not bad, I'd say. [(source , click on specific events to grasp the amount of evil involved!] Point #2 Every child who knows a tiny bit about this conflict knows, that the ONLY reason for the drop in point 1 is the barrier. But just in case you're not fully sure about that, (A): on November 11, 2006, a senior of the Islamic Jihad terrorist group, said on Al-Manar , the TV station another terrorist organization called Hezboolah (=the party of god): "for example, in the west bank there is the separation fence which is an obstacle for the resistance and if it were not there the situation would be entirely different "source. This is a literal translation from arabic to English. A translation of the meaning that is understood when an Arab reads this is the following: "for example, in the west bank there is the separation fence is an obstacle for our suicide bombers and if it were not there, we would have executed many more suicide and murder missions". (B) "In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks , but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada. There is general agreement that the Barrier improved Israeli security with regard to suicide bombings.[5][35]" source Point #3 Israel liberated (or occupied) the west bank in 1967, the building of the separation started in 2004 (and still not completed). It is a bit difficult to say then, that "the purpose behind this wall, it is simply to make an open air prison of the West Bank", without explaining what we were waiting for 35 years. After all, builing it in the 1987 intifada or 1977 would have been much easier, politically and practically. But back then, there was no moral justification for it, a condition that the Palestinian terror changed in the years 2000-2003. =====>>> the brainwashed palestinian teenagers who were recruited under religious promises of recieving 72 virgins in heaven and later glorified by their death-worshiping society, who went on the missions of murder ARE to be regarded as the ones who built the barrier with the bare hands. We are no sadists! We just had no other alternative. Point #4 Any western person who will look me in the eyes and say that if he were in my place, he would not support this hard and unpleasant step necessary to reduce by 95% (see point #1) the probability that his children's school bus will blow up, is a super hypocrite. Point #5 And I conclude with some simple, straightforward, historical perspective. If we look at the story of the Israeli Palestinian conflict in the eyes of literature critic, we find a very obvious Motif: In 1948 and before, the zionists were willing to agree to any offer. They agreed to an offer which give us 20% of the land we have today. This not because we are so holy, but mainly because we didn't believe we can survive a war with the palestinians+the arabs. Now it was the arabs turn to make a move, and their choice unfortunately was: an total war on new-born Israel with the goal of its annihilation. miraculously or not, they lost. The result: payback! --> we got back at them for their agrresiveness and "convinced" many of them that they better leave. Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price. In 1967, arabs start another conflict, Israel responds and wins a war which entered the hall-of-fame of military geniousity and is today learnt as a case study in the military schools worldwide. Again, the end position of the arabs was worse than the starting position. or, Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price.. In 1982, after hundreds of bloody terror attacks from our northern border in many years (most notably this one), Israel finally retaliated. 40 km of southern Lebanon were declared as a security zone, occupied, and clarified from all terrorists posts. Beirut was bombed and "lebanon" was shattered by a following ethnical hostility. once again, Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price.. Israel withdrawed from lebanon unilateraly to the undisputed international border in 1999. In response, Hezbollah terrorists built posts right on the border and executed hundreds of terrorist operations against Israeli soldiers and civilians. With the abduction of 3 soldiers in 2006, israel said: "enough is enough". Hezboolah was smashed. Beirut was bombed again and the Shiite quarter, home of the hezboolah supports, was grinded to the ground. Hezboolah leader lives since that war like a rat in bunkers in fear of israeli assassination, and the UN was given the job to make sure that hezboolah fighters are not allowed within 40km of the Israeli border (which of course is not fully implemented...). Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price.. In 2005, after 5 years of cruel, evil, unstoppable terror by the palestinian directed and guided by their Fatah leadership, Israel said again: "enough is enough", and started to build the barrier - the only way to stop the terror. Again, palestinians are much worse than were they were before the "second intifada" terrror campaign they choose to initiate. Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price.. Between 2005 and 2009, as a "thank you" after Israel's withdrawal of immoral settlements from Gaza, the Hamas terrorist organization overthrew the "moderate" Fatah one and established an afghanstian right to our border. Next, they bombed southern Israel with 8,600 rockets, most attacks went unretaliated mainly due to the low damage that they inflicted. However a great damage did exist, mainly for the children who lived under constant bombardment. In January 2008, Israel said again: "enough is enough". Harsh as never before, Israel set a high price tag for 4 years of terror. the invoice was sent: over 1,000 people were killed, 33% of which are innocent civilians, whose blood is in the hands of the Hamas ONLY, as can be heard also from the palestinians of the west bank and the moderate arab world. Aggressor lost ---> Aggressor paid the price.. Whats on for season VII of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? you never know. But something tells me that we will be attacked again, we will defend ourselves again, and since we are good jewish people, we will take a small "interest" to make it worth it. The aggressor will again find himself in the aftermath in a worst position from which he started his deadly campiagn. Oh yes, actually, that "something" is called: The Lessons we learn from History.
And in comprehendible English please.... lol @ "Israel liberated the West Bank in 1967" - Equivalent to saying Hitler liberated the Jews from the bad Jews in WW2 .
I will take his English over your comprehension skills any day. ChaosTrivia actually used terms to describe it from both perspectives, clearly showing that he recognizes it is viewed differently by different people. You take that and purposely twist the hell out of it with the nefarious purpose of making some bizarre and sick comparison to Hitler. Don't you think you have reached into that pathetic well once too often? p.s. When you quote somebody and use the " " it is really pretty pathetic to factually change what they actually said. Even more so when the whole basis for your idiotic reply was the very part you edited out. You really sunk low with this one. I hope you are proud - this is a nice snapshot of your behavior on this forum.
I'm not surprised you are sucking up to him, you do have a fetish for Jews remember. You do seem to spend a lot of time here...what else do you do? Apart from hanging around in gay bars that is.... Stop taking this off topic.
You make it easy me to just repeat my previous post: You really sunk low with this one. I hope you are proud - this is a nice snapshot of your behavior on this forum.
wow Chaos, that was an unneeded lengthy post as you usually do, to try to get the attention away from the main topic, I won't reply the off topic points you mentioned, to stay concentrated in the main topic, but as I told you before, if you feel they are important to you, you can post about them in their relevant thread, or you can start a new one. the main point you made in your post, was the wall limited suicide bombings operations, and if Israel wanted to make an open air prison, why they waited 35 years, 35 years of occupying Palestinian lands is no waiting in my opinion. suicide bombings did not happen from 1967 the time West Bank been occupied after an Israeli aggression, till 1994, there been about 27 years, where there was no wall, and no suicide bombings, it does not need rocket science to know that suicide bombing despite they been tragic - they been a direct result of occupation and killing Palestinian civilians on several occasions over these 27 years, and was not the result of weak security measures or the lack of a wall, if you think this wall could bring you security, then why try to negotiate with Palestinians? build the wall, jump to the Israeli side, and close all doors, in fact, Palestinians would be very glad with the wall in that case, but ONLY... if the wall been built on the Israeli side, or on borders at least, if that was the case then PLEASE do build 100 walls cos Palestinians are sick of even seeing you, but the real is far from being like that: the wall cuts West Bank into ghettos, and it eats HUGE parts of the West Bank, it is clear that it is another excuse for Israel to steal more, and get away with it, this pic below is just a sample, some Palestinian towns are completely surrounded by the wall except a gate, that can be open or shut any time IOF decide to put all the people of this town in prison:
1) I am also a very loud critic of the path of the wall. If I was the Israeli decision maker, I would build it on the 1967 borders. Yes, in my realistic world, unlike yours, my side is not an angel from a fairy tale, that not even a single individual in my side could be possibly wrong. However, allow me to remind you that people can not be raised from the dead, whereas a barrier can be moved or destroyed. We are waiting for the Palestinians to give us a reason to move it or destroy it: as I made clear in my post - WE DID NOT WANT TO BUILD THIS SHIT. THE HAMAS BUILT IT. This is why I brought up point 5! in point 5 I say: we never wanted the nakba to happen, we just wanted a small country of our own. But after the Palestinian attacked us without any mercy, a country which was 1 day old, after we won we "took advantage" of the situation to gain political and demographic advantage. SAME STORY HERE: This barrier is a high-tech thing - It was DAMN expensive. It looks bad. So, If we ARE FORCED to take this measure why not make it in our terms, instead in the Palestinian terms? 2) This is a very absurd thing to say, but this is true: The Barrier is bringing us CLOSER in the direction of peace. This is despite the suffering it inflicts on the palestinians. Without the barrier, busses would have exploded in Israel, hundreds of palestinians would have died in retaliation operations. Hatred would have been nourished daily, and peace would have become a more distant thing. So maybe it was a good investment after all also for the palestinians?