how small we are to know?(The Sign for Unbelievers)

The sign is simple.

Creations need a creator

 

The only way you can know Gandalf is through Lord of the Rings trilogy.

You have said absolutely nothing!

 

Really? diamond are created by extreme heat and preasure exerted on carbon. Heavy elements are created in stars, they did not need a creator, yet they were created, oh and just who created your creator?

 

Where did heat, pressure, carbon, etc, came from ?

 

Bottom line, they exist, why do we need a middleman when this middleman cannot be explained by the same questions you pose on the existence of the universe. Science can explain heat, pressure and carbon, can you explain god?

PS, you forgot to answer my question, I assume it was oversight

 

Wow, that's was indeed very scientific explication

Yes, its simple.

Creations need a creator, if there is no creator then there will be no creation.

Car need a manufacture, if there isn't a car manufacture the there will be no car.

The diamond example and heat, pressure, bla bla you mentioned is a process and a process need a creator.

Its like someone ask's you, how come car to exist? and you mention the factory process like painting process, which is stupid because the factory in turn was made by man.

 

Nice of you to pick and choose what you want to hear yet avoid the only question I ever asked. You are well trained.

 

I did not avoid to answer, but your question is not valid, the creation can not know who created the creator, but the creation know that it was created by a creator

And you still did not answer my question which is valid:

Where did heat, pressure, carbon, etc, came from ?

 

Not only that, but the laws of creation itself have to have been created. Think about that for a moment. Nothing can exist, unless the laws of "life and death" "creation and destruction" are themselves the creation of an uncreated being.

 

I don't know why religious people are so willing to believe in a father-like entity who always has been and always will be but they are not willing to believe that the universe, multiverse, or whatever comprises all of existence, has always been and always will be. Apparently it is not against the rules of nature to have something that has always existed, as long as that thing is a stern paternal figure with an inferiority complex.

 

Exactly, everything is so perfect and perfectly designed which indicate of the perfection of the creator.

Still the atheists want us to believe that creation came from nothing or it just existed and they claim that this is science

As you can see here:

This is Roman scientific answer

 

Hey Cyrus - long time no see.

My fundamental question is, why?

Man has progressed through vast black fields of the unknown, and made known new things; to say there are questions yet to be answered - why must this necessitate a final "creator" at the end of the heuristic process, rather than something, previously unknown, made known, by the same methods that once returned the Sun to its rightful place as the center of our system, as opposed to the religiously-prescribed, earth-centered system?

The analogy that has been tossed my way, a couple of times: car in the desert, without tracks. How'd it get there? The theists who have posed it to me, implied, it must have been placed there by an intelligence.

My answer has always been...what was the wind like the previous night?

It begins there, for me...moving from the known to the unknown, to make new knowns, all by slogging it out, with our own faculties.

 

Which brings up another fatal flaw in most people's line of reasoning/questioning; that is, that nature has to make sense, it has to be intuitive. Nature often doesn't make sense, that's why we have physicists, so they can be the ones on the brink of insanity with the crazy hair who will break it all down for us with 3rd grade metaphors.

 

Who created man? and ultimately, who created go?

Your own reason can be used against you because it's a fallacy.

and please don't use creations when you refer to humans, there's no creator, just humanoid parents.

 

Everything is far from perfect.

Please explain blind-spots, appendix and coccyx without using the theory of evolution and natural selection.

 

All you're doing is using my laziness to justify your beliefs. Quite frankly I don't need to look it up for you because no matter what I answer you will have your pre-programed response to justify your god. I would like nothing more to believe there is a god and there is more after death but logic does not support that.

Further more the god represented by religion is an ashole with quite the inferiorty complex, guess that would come from eternity less 5000 years of being alone, enough to make anyone go mad.

If he/she/it is so perfect why did he create an imperfect man? Why did he give me the logic to doubt his existense, if he exists it surely is his fault I do not believe so why must I be condemened?

The god portrayed in all religious texts is pretty messed up and not worthy of a second of my time to sacrifice to his paranoias. For the love of god I pray your god does not exist

 

What is this all about? Your religion is taking credits for knowing that Earth is small and there are things bigger out there?..Pleaseeee..500 hundreds years ago people thought the World was flat mister and no mention in the bible or koran the shape of the planet they are standing on nor do they mention anything other than how to stone your neighbors 100 hundred ways, so go way and go meet your maker now!

 

Good point. Think of this:
Justin Barrett have recently conducted an experiment:
He presented children of ages 3 to 6 with a box having a picture of a cookie attached on top. He then asked the children: "what do you think that there is inside the box?", and almost all children naturally answered: "cookies".

Then, he opened the box and showed the kids that it contained nothing but stones, and closed it again. At this point, all kids were asks two additional questions:
I) What will your mother think that there is in the box?
II) What will god think that there is in the box?

Most children aged 3 and 4 answered that mother will say that the box contains stones. For them, mother is all-mighty and as since they know the right answer, mother will surely know as well.
Most children aged 5 and 6 already understand that mother could not possibly know what's in the box without opening it first. So most of answered the right answer: mother will think there are cookies in the box.

At the age of 5-6 people start to develop the ability to see the world through somebody else's eyes, the ability scientifically known as "Theory of Mind" (in this case, the ability to fool somebody else and make him believe in false truths).

And what did god think? All children said that god will say that the box has stones. That was true for all ages.

This experiment is demonstrating how from the moment of birth, our brains have the conditions necessary to believe in god. This property is built-in all our minds. When children grow, their brain is just filled with the ideas of god specific to their culture, but the brain is born with the readiness to accept it. This is why there is not a single culture today or in the whole human history who did not have a god of one sort or another!
But this is not the only capability our brain has, there are many more. An exact same sort of capability is our ability to learn a language! the ability is there at birth, the culture teach us the details of the language - our brain is born with the readiness to accept it.

This is evolutionary obvious: Children must trust their parents in order to be able to survive, Children must also learn a language quickly to be able to survive.

On the other hand, upon birth our brain is not ready to accept quantum physics, differential equations, path integrals, and thermodynamics. These have to be "laboured and burned" in our brain slowly, with a lot of effort and pain.

One thing is still under debate between evolution of religion researchers: Language is a skill which can clearly be classified as what is called "(evolutionary) adaptation", about religion, it is not in consensus yet.


I am a fan of a field called "Evolution of Religion", which is trying to explain the existence of religions by applying the knowledge of evolution and showing how it is responsible for religions. Or, how religion is helping (helped) humanity to survive, better evolve and prosper as a society, and hence natural to occur.
A very interesting thing is that actually from the theory, atheists are going against their nature but that's a topic for some other time....

If somebody is interested in further reading, here is what I read on this subject (geeky me):
Breaking the Spell (recommended! short, politically incorrect, witty and funny, simply genious!)
In Gods we trust
The Evolution of Religion: Studies, Theories, and Critiques (a collection of 50 independent articles for people who know "more than average" about evolution)

Personal homepage of Richard Susis, one of the world's leading researchers in evolution of religion: http://www.anth.uconn.edu/faculty/sosis/

 

Wow according to that completely unsourced report Christians and Muslims are fucking idiots on average.

 

ROMAN

Once again
From where did you get these stats?
Did you just made them up?