how small we are to know?(The Sign for Unbelievers)

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    God is, always was, and always will be; the Creator of the Universe, and every being and every thing. God is, "big enough" to do anything,and we as imperfect human beings can't just simply took anything that He created to be equal or same with Him----He is not the problem.

    The problem is;Do human beings big enough to know who is God,the creator of this universe?
    Did they have all the knowledges about this superlarge universe.?or maybe they didn't even know what a thing in their own bodies.they didn't and never know what thing shall come after them.but they just thought and in doubt with their own thought.

    And theres another group who distort and pervert God's Will for their own, selfish purposes.
    Did that Big God was sent to earth for only the sins of His own creatures?Just think how big this universe was for God to die for a very small small creature?does make sense?

    And On what authority was a person(you know who I'm talking bout) allowed to extend / replace Jesus teachings and the Jewish traditions / interpretations ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionite"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionite"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionite

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expounding_of_the_Law"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expounding_of_the_Law"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expounding_of_the_Law

    Jesus is the real truth greatest prophet sent by Father for humanity..That Big God cannot turn into human being for only sins of His own creature.

    For unbeliever-Christian;

    "Do not think that I(Jesus) came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17:19) – Jesus did not come to abolish the law of The Old Testament of the Bible.

    Torah: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

    Bible: Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; (Mark 12:29)

    Quran: And your God is one God. There is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful. (Quran 2:163)

    "And God will Say: "O Jesus son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods instead of God?" He said: "Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my soul while I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the unseen." 5:116

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    For unbeliever-Atheist;

    077 Doth not man see that it is We Who created him from sperm? yet behold! he (stands forth) as an open adversary!

    078 And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"

    079 Say, "He will give them life Who created them for the first time! for He is Well-versed in every kind of creation!-

    080 "The same Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! ye kindle therewith (your own fires)!

    081 "Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" - Yea, indeed! for He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!

    082 Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!

    083 So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.

    Read full text HERE and compare with what do you used to claim with word from God.I'm sure you'll find d ans if you'r sincerely seeking for the truth.

    peace Guys:D
     
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    I fail to see "the sign" which is mentioned in the title of your thread.
    Please provide 1 sentence explaining where is "the sign", I seem to have missed it.

    When I was in 5th grade, I knew already that the sun is much bigger than earth, and located on the shoulder of our galaxy, called "the milky way". Is this "the sign"?

    ........................... cure my illness, save me from my misery, show me: "the sign!"
     
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    I don't ever think u that brilliant.:) the sign which I mention in the title is refer to your knowledge..Do u all knowing person?Do you hv that information about how this universe been created or how large this universe is in order to combat your own creator?:(

    Besides quran/bible,both were send by the creator of earth and heaven and seem bible had be mishandling by man and the only correct and perfect source for you to know your God is through quran.

    Find only one mistake in it if you in doubt with your own creator.Read by your own and find it.u better know Him now.Everyday theres been estimated bout 42000 people died each day.never know when my turn, your turn.could be tomorrow or to make worst maybe 1 hour from now and worst of all when you finish reading my text.it's means anytime we can died.If u died and u knw who is your own creator than that be good to u and if not...:)

    p/s:if theres any bible written in Hebrew somebody please give it to me.i wan to read it.means non original bible could be found anymore..

    peace:D
     
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    omg we're such a small part of the universe that must mean there is a god who cares about everything we do and who gets mad when we don't try to convince other people how awesome he is.
     
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    Answer his question. He asked you where the sign is.
     
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    No i'm not.
    For example, I still don't know where is the "sign" you mentioned in the title, which I asked you to point out in a short sentence. Is answering simple questions with a simple answers illegal according to the quran?


    p.s. lol logicflux (I do it only for the laugh :) , I don't really expect him to say anything intelligent, and i'm surprised the mods allow so many threads like this to exist)
     
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    it's up to u guys.:) I know you are very smart person.keep it up..:D
     
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    So there isnt a sign then.... didn't think so.

    I love it when the religious make a statement and then run away when asked to explain what they mean. I can can almost hear them saying "crap... why did i have to go and say something so ridiculous"
     
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    OK.
    That's understandable that you wouldn't want to have a conversation with us. Makes this thread even more senseless.

    So I will then answer with my own video and picture:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BNhecKqRMA (<==== funny!)

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    sign=your "knowledge" isn't that much to know who is your creator by using your own imaginary/thought/brain/etc. and the only way to know Him is trou His word.He didn't leave us for nothin.He did gv the way and it's up to human beings to use their free will to accept it or not.:)
     
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    Now u're starting to talk with us and not hallucinate with yourself, good step forward.

    The problem with the "sign" is that in order "to know who is my creator", first I need to be convinced that such a "creator" exists. I am not convinced at all. can you convince me? (again, try to use simple short sentences and not long long long long neverending glory speeches)
     
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    mm..about this thread; first i wan to make u realize that our knowledges isn't that much to knw how God look like,where is God,show me God,etc.but theres a lot of signs of God given to us.One is quran.why i'm saying so,becoz God is all knowing that u n i might knw.quran states everything bout the past,present and future and everything quran states did happened nowadays. quran was revealed to mankind bout 1400 yrs ago.How did a person name Muhammad(pbuh) who didn't even know how to write and read knw alot about future and universe.for instance about big bang,embryology,iron core in earth n more.quran is not just about a warning for those who are unbeliever but also gv a sign and proof to mankind that this is from God,Almighty,All-knowing n also a good news for those who believe in Him.(Jannah=paradise).

    second;by using your own thought did you know what will going to happen to you when you r already death.If u did u can't find the way trou becoz as we all know that our knowledges is limited.

    then the only source u to know your god is trou quran/bible/torah given to us by messengers of God.i hope u don't be too ignorant and arrogant to knw your own Creator.

    At least try to read the whole entire quran first.please help yourself.I know u'r searching and if u'r sincerely u'll find..All the best:)
     
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    its just scarry to see how small we are in the universe...yet some of us think they are powerful
     
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    my knowledge isn't enough to know the god EXISTS
    after I have some proof that the god exists, I will be able to talk with you about
    all the rest of your post, just as previous posts, mean something only under the assumption: "God Exists", which you regard as a fact without any justification.

    Yea I was wondering about that too. Why would god choose an illiterate person to be his prophet? weren't there more educated people around?
    Can this be regarded as having something to do with the fact that over 50% of the citizens of Egypt can't read and write? Maybe we can infer from this that Islam does encourage literacy amongst its followers? after all, being like the prophet is a supreme ambition, no?

    Hey man! I really tried! you don't believe me? I found a good translation and started from the very beginning.
    But then, I stopped in the 2nd surah, right at the beginning, after your book called me: "blind sick and stupid evildoer". I take things personally, you see.
     
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    mm..did that book called you that?how could you know that it's u?that is not u if u'r think u'r right..please 1 more time..at least 1 full chapter.You'll found how God states in that book is actually care and love u..1 more.:)
     
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    could this be 1 of the proof of God..maybe not enough.i'll find the best proof for u later..i hv some work to do.:D
     
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    Here is a sign:

    Average IQ by religion in the USA. Study conducted by Harvard.

    Muslim- 92
    Christian- 98
    Pagan- 98
    Hindu- 104
    Buddhist- 108
    Jew- 115
    Atheist- 119
    Muslim- 92
    Christian- 98
    Pagan- 98
    Hindu- 104
    Buddhist- 108
    Jew- 115
    Atheist- 119
     
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    lol as high as 92? i'm surprised!
     
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    What is the source?
    Is their a link for it at Harvard Website?
     
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