Are Taliban,Bin Laden, Al Qaeda Really Muslims?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by matttiya88, Aug 25, 2009.

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    Can Taliban,Bin Laden, Al Qaeda n other Islamist teach when to heaven by killing innocent muslim or non-muslim??

    Full answer;http://www.discoverislam.com/FatwaJuly2005.pdf

    http://www.globalpolitician.com/23231-taliban

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    Muslims believe in an afterlife as the Prophet taught in the holy Koran. It seems surreal that what we were taught as sacred is now regularly on the daily news. Seems to me the Muslim Afterlife has become more a fad than the real deal. Everything from virgins to heaven seems to be for sale!
    Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and other Islamist teach that you can buy your way to heaven by killing innocent non-Muslims! That blasphemous concept was not in the lesson plan when I studied Islam. I am still trying to figure out, where did the Prophet say that you can kill the innocent and go to heaven?
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    http://www.globalpolitician.com/23231-taliban

    What Is Islam And Who Are Muslims?

    Islam is one of the world's major religions and is based on the teachings of the prophet Mohammed. Followers of Islam are known collectively as Muslims. Islam includes the belief in one God (Allah), a belief in Paradise and Hell and a body of law contained in the Quran and the Sunna.

    The following text excerpt is from the site: http://www.discoverislam.com

    "Based on its linguistic origin, the Arabic word 'Islam' means to achieve peace--peace with God, peace within oneself, and peace with the creations of God through submission to God and commitment to His guidance. Islam is not a new religion but the final culmination and fulfillment of the same basic truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is not just a personal religion but a complete way of living.

    Over a billion people from all races, nationalities and cultures across the globe are Muslim. Only 18% of Muslims live in the Arab world; a fifth are found in Sub-Saharan Africa; and the world's largest Muslim community is in Indonesia. Substantial parts of Asia are Muslim, while significant minorities are to be found in the Central Asian republics, India, China, North and South America, Eastern and Western Europe."

    More information about Islam and Muslims:

    http://www.islamworld.net

    http://www.islam101.com

    http://www.al-muslim.org

    peace guys:D
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Thank you for this post. It is encouraging to see Muslims openly claiming the mantle of their faith and making clear that justifying violence against innocents in the name of Islam is to be condemned by Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
     
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    ChaosTrivia Active Member

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    Hi matttiya88.
    I understand that you consider ben-laden "not to be a real muslim". But I fail to find a clear, clean and self-consistent explanation for your opinion.
    How are the demographics of muslims and arabs, islamworld.net, and al-muslim.org serve to explain your claim? If you want to write an essay that says: "x is not y", there is only 1 way: You start by defining exactly what is can be considered to be y, and what can not. Then, you provide evidence that refutes the possibility that x is y based on the definition. speaking about the glory of x is not related neither with your premise nor your conclusion.

    This is a problem that Islam have. That every group considers itself to be "the real muslims", and the groups which do not agree, are not "real muslims".

    but lets forget about it. nevermind.

    Since I don't know what exactly you call "real muslim", I would like to ask you a question regarding the other extreme side:

    Is this guy "really a muslim" in your eyes?
    Are the many thousands of sunni, druze, and bedouin muslims who volunteer to serve in the Israeli military "real muslims"?

    And Why.
     
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    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    disowning the terrorists or extremists isn't going to solve any of the problems.

    to solve a problem, you first have to accept it.

    Taliban, Al Qaeda etc too read/follow the same Quran and other religious texts that other Muslims do. The difference lies in the interpretations.

    Whether their interpretations are right or wrong, is a subject of a debate which is best avoided here.
     
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    Sounds like christianity to me... The problem with all world-wide religions is that tribal/cultural practices become part of their religion. Look at the barbaric practices of many Roman Catholics in the Phillipines. The black magic and voodooism amongst christians in Jamaica, the pagan rituals included in the Christmas celebration amongts europeans and NA christians. Even within my own town where there are only WASP's and RC, each one believes they are the true christains.
     
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    In this context judaism is very interesting. Despite that it split to "sepharadic" and "ashkenazi", the differences between them are just fine-fine-tuning.
    If we remember that jews lived worldwide in many tribes/cultures, and this reflects in a very prominent way in the "non-religious" customs, somehow judaism did not split into many smaller cults like Islam and Christianity, but remained united.
    Maybe the explanation for this is simple, jews never reached the "critical mass" (in numbers) that people could promote and benefit (power + money) from such a division, as was with the case of other, much bigger, religions. and maybe its something about the religion itself? dunno.

    Exactly. As I said, the holy book is worth nothing. Its interpretation is the only thing that matter. And this is where Muslims still have a lot of progress to make in order to catch up with the Christians and the Jews.
     
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    Ah, but you are talking about the same people who migrated into different parts of the world. Theoretical, jews of europe could trace their roots back to the ME. Muslims in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, etc are not descendants of Arab Muslims. There was no mass migration. Hence muslims in places like Pakistan incorporated tribal customs within Islam and voila.... Taliban. ;)

    When I worked in northern part of Canada most of the native americans were very religious (Christian mennonites or Pentacostal). Their version of christianity was quite a bit different than their white counter parts. For instance, many believed that the black bear was a re-incarnation of their ancestors. :eek: Maybe they are right....
     
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