Actually I have a couple of questions here.. why in bible theres no trinity word??did Jesus really teach it?? in John 16:10-13 Jesus refer to whom?? 13"But when He, (A)the Spirit of truth, comes, He will (B)guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
here are a few things to study now that you will understand that the trinity was in the bible. All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and ofthe Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19]. May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14]. God bless you in the name of the father , the son and the holy spirit. Opps, church isnt until tomorrow lol. Opps its is sunday now lol, and I dont even drink lol.
Actually it does mention the trinity in the bible. I think you should go have a quick read of the bible now.
I see the islam forum is still sending troops to DP. They crack me up. Once someone tells them the truth about the questions they ask they tend to go away, because they find out they have been lied to about the Bible and Christianity. One thing that always confuses them is when you tell them that not everyone in the USA is a Christian and that the percentage of people who claim to be a Christian is getting lower and lower as it becomes unpopular to call yourself a Christian in the states. So many called themselves "Christian" because the went to church for a while or their parents did.
Trinitarianism is common amongst almost every single religion, system of spirituality, philosophies, and science. All trinities resolve to be approximately equal to other trinities. You've got Yang, Yin, Change (Eastern); Father, Mother, Son (Traditional); Father, Holy Spirit, Son (Christian); Body, Mind, Emotion (psychology); Osiris, Isis, Horus (Egyptian); Mercy, Might, Equality (Judaism); Force, Mass, Acceleration(physics), etc. Islam is an anomaly in that it does not have a Trinity.
It wasn't invented. God spoke to some guy and told him to write it in a book -- and so it was written. That's the only way the bible could be the word of God so that's how it is. Deal with it. I don't have any proof, just believe that because that's what everyone has always believed. And because I said so.
I think i have some proofs Can Jesus be GOd,or the only begotten son of God?? Proof #1 Both the Noble Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One: "Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)" "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)" -----> Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty. The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)" If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty? I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian. Proof #2 "DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD." JOHN 20:17 Would it surprise you to know that one of the most prominent doctrines in Christianity today has no basis in scripture? The doctrine of the "Holy Trinity" considered by many to be essential to one's very salvation, is not found in Christianity until at least three hundred years after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Even more shocking is the fact that the concept of a triune godhead likely comes from the traditions of paganism! AN ANCIENT STATUE OF THE HINDU TRINITY Keep in mind that there are many sincere believers in the trinity doctrine and not all are just mindless followers of a tradition. While there are numerous scriptures that show Jesus to be just who he said he was, the SON of God, there are a handful of New Testament scriptures that might, IF taken out of context, cause one to conclude that Jesus is himself God. THE MAIN CAUSE OF THE CONFUSION There seems to be a lack of attention paid to the things that the Bible says about Jesus in his pre-human existence. Scripture tells us that Jesus was the "Logos," or in English, the "Word," at the beginning of creation. It is the role that he possessed prior to his earthly ministry which causes many to falsely conclude that he is not only the Son of God, but indeed is God. Proof #3 Comparison btw quran and bible; 1# God does not Slumber or Sleep "He(God) will not let your foot slip- he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep."Psalm 121:3-4 "Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."Quran 2:255 I dun think JEsus didnt sleep 2# No one sees God "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only"...John 1:18 "No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things."Quran 6:103 I dun think people on that time cannot see Jesus more here.... Proof #4 1# Can God that cr8ed the earth and heaven be less than perfect(mean turn to be human being that not perfect). Proof #5 The Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus(pbuh) isn't GOd Proof #6(important MUST READ!!) “And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ †He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). “Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allaah, MY LORD AND YOUR LORD.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things†[al-Maa’idah 5:116-117] AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD...[JOHN 20:17] More Proofs... @};- We love Jesus as much as we love other prophets Peace be upon you
Mattiya, the new testament has it all over the place but dont think that this is the only place in the bible that speaks of the trinity. The old testament also speaks of it when Isiah talks about the savior who he called Emmanuelle, the ever lasting father and the prince of peace. Notice how he called jesus the prince and the everlasting father. To answer your question about god lowering himself to be a human, I think your looking at it the wrong way. As far as what god can do , his powers are limitless, and if they are so then he can do anything. He had many reasons to do this and a few reasons were that he wanted to show us that he knows how we feel to live as a human being. He also wanted to teach us how to live as human beings and how to love each other as. HE came down from heaven to live as a human being because of his love for us. Your looking at god as just an all powerful human being. Its all about force , power, force , power. God is all powerful but he is also all loving.
Are you saying the Trinity of the ancient Egyptians were divinely inspired back in ~2000BC? Are you claiming that Egyptian Book of the Dead was divinely inspired?
They say 3 is the magic number so as we are talking about a magic man in the sky 3 seems like a fitting number. 3 is all around in mysticism and hokus pokus, so again, it's fitting to include it in a cult featuring magic, incantations and spirit worlds.
Speaking of cult, how about the extremist atheists lead by their drunken leader Christopher Hitchens who got humilated by a catholic guy on your tube. Stox your still debating about this after bringing a book that has no facts and citations. I guess some people love attention even if they have been proven wrong time and time again. A real atheist would never have brought up someone as rediculous as Hitchens. True atheists know that there is alot of indirect evidence for the existence of god. The only thing I can debate with hitchens and his followers is what is the difference between one brand of whiskey and the other, how to spread hate through ifnorance and no facts and how to put down women and tell them how funnier men are then them. The guys a bigot, a sexist, heavt drinker and an embarressment to the community of authors out there that actually write things worth reading. I mean hitchens even got slammed by Hannity looooooooooool. If I ever got beaten by Hannity I would never want to appear on TV again. Its as easy debating and winning over extremist atheists as it is as debating with extremists right wing theists. In the end the voice of moderation , respect and toleration wins.
@pingpong123, WOW! You just owned stOx! Never mind, though, as stOx has absolutely no use for the truth. I expect that he'll make some unsupported ugly statements any day now...
Corwin, have dignity to not reduce yourself to cheerleader for amyone who happens to agree with you. Pong probably doesn't even own a pair of shoes so there is little chance of him owning me, someone who consistently schools him in logic and, more embarrasingly, his own religion.
Thanks dude, The thing is Stox wants to make himself out to be a main stream atheists and by the way he supports someone as rediculous as Hitchens shows me either he is not a mainstream moderate atheists or he supports atheists that are way out of the mainstream , or mainstream atheism has been infaltrated by extremists. If hitchens is indicative of what most atheists believe in then all you have to do is show his books and videos to anyone that is trying to choose between theism and atheism and he will definately pick theism. Its a slam dunk no brainer. Hitchens is an extremist atheist who wants to send his kids to christian school for their education. Now stox please explain that one to me lololol. Stox I the fact that your fellow extremist atheists arent posting a word trying to defend hitchens shows who got owned my friend, in every word debate they usually jump in droves but they realize they cant really defend the undefendable. Im gonna stick to debating moderate atheists as they see things realistically and usually provide much more comptetion than bringing up a sloppy book written by a drunk. God bless
Making it up again pong? How so very typically "Christian". I am by no means a mainstream atheist. I don't just disbelieve your fairy story, I oppose it. I think it's intellectual poison and frankly anyone who teaches this tripe to children is, in my mind, guilty of child abuse. I'd say northpoint is a mainstream atheists. There's nothing wrong with that, we need different types to be efective, but he seems to be happy so long as your little stories don't effect him. Of course the upshot of that is these filthy little cults continue to infiltrate society, which is where I come in. The difference is, I think, that north doesn't want to upset anyone where as, to me, your precious little feelings are worthless.
You are correct Stox, you are not a mainstream atheist, you are an extremist atheist, plus now you have reduced yourself to basically judging whole religions with no facts whatsoever. You must have been reading hitchens books because you posting teh same way he writes now. No facts, no citations. Your right we do need a range of opinions to have a fair public debate but when a person degrades down to basic judgmental name calling and stops using facts , this ceases to become a debate. Just like when I ask you why in the world would you bring up hitchens book the missionary position and then stop talking about it after its been thoroughly humiliated as the literary work written by the equivalent of an 8 year old? Sorry Stox, the more you post the less facts you bring up. Next time you should actually read the book you are bringing facts from, then you might look like you actually know what your talking about. I would make one suggestion to Christopher Hitchens though. The next time he decideds to write a book he should drink beer instead of rum.
Pong is "citations" your word of the day or something? Where are your citations? Or are you using the word without fully understanding what it means? Or, as I suspect, are you just parroting something you heard on nof your rich bloated leaders say? I asked you many times to show us this great work that the wretched old hag done and, like you invariably always do, you failed miserably. I decided to stop asking you to support your claims because even when you are beating a dead horse you inevitably start feeling pity for the horse.
I'd consider a "mainstream atheist" to be someone that has a live-and-let-live mentality. Although it's hardly "mainstream" when only 1.5% of Americans consider themselves atheists...! An atheist extremist is someone who feels the insecure need to attack anyone that disagrees with them. And that is the definition of an extremist - someone that can't stand the though that someone, somewhere, does not believe what they believe - and are happy because of it. That, at the end, is what drives stOx. It annoys him that someone someone, somewhere, is happy.