Teen runaway to avoid being killed, should she be returned?

And by the way:

compare with reality: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3295878,00.html

 

And you call this good Pizzaman? Looks like Iran is good at messing with the internal affairs of foreign countries. Shouldnt the lebanese people have their own say as to where they want to lean? Shouldnt they have the freedom without Iran sticking their noses in the affairs of the lebanese. Didnt the last election show that Hezbolla isnt in power in lebanon through the will of the people, that the lebanese people are starting to wake up to the fact that Jezbolla is a puppet of iran and syria?

 

i did not say it was good. i just said it was calculated political move for their own benefit. not for some abstract religious belief.
i do not know if hizbolah was also played or they knew what they were doing. most probably atleast the top level knew what they were doing

 

so he said. what did you think he should have said. we knowingly caused the destruction of the country.
start with idea that they are not stupid. consider that they re planning what they do. if that is the case, then consider what they want and how a calculating person would go about achieving their objectives. then you would see they are doing just that. i agree that iranians want th control of middle east. i just think they want it for political reasons not religious ones. and i think they are making political choices not religious one.
i think assuming they make religious choices has made it easy or them.

 

Hizbollah was caught by surprise in the Israeli offensive, they expected that we will fire a couple of shells and maybe a small airstrike, as we always did in all such cases between 2000 and 2006 (couple of DOZENS!). This time, we had enough. In the first days, we destroyed their lengthiest missiles, because they were not prepared. There is absolutely no question about it, all mid east experts agree on that point. Bring me a quote that says otherwise. Even if you repeat it a hundred times, NEVER giving something that might sound like reasoning, that won't change reality.

Iranians might want to control the middle east, kinda hard with no friends to start with.
Iranians surely want to destroy Israel - they also operate in this direction during my whole lifetime and now they resort to gather more destructive means to achieve it.

Iran is poor. If Iranians were not religious lunatics, they would start by building Iran's first oil refinery. The world's 2nd producer of oil can't even refine it! they export it and buy it again, refined.
But the neither the existence of refineries nor the well being of the citizens is commanded by the Quran, the destruction of Israel is. And this is everything the regime does.

Wouldn't you expect a "calculated" country to first take itself from the middle ages to the 21th century before it tries to control the middle east? they are irrational.

And now you can say again that they are calculated, not lunatic, and again, and again, and once more, without any reasoning, and it will still remain not true.

 

@chaos
my last post on this subject
the biggest mistake one can make is underestimate his enemies.
here are some reads for you.
http://www.aei.org/outlook/27658
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7372657.stm
http://www.portengineering.info/200...ysia-to-push-ahead-with-7b-joint-venture.html

 

True they do know what is going on at the top levels and they are betraying their own followers by getting themselves embroiled in this conflict. Why dont they just give up the weapons to the government and join it. This way the government will be stronger and the crime rate starts to go down and vacationers will start to flock to lebanon as they did before the civil war 30 years back when lebanon was considered the switzerland of the middle east.

 

a-top level benefit more like this
b-the govt of lebanon can not/did not provide adequately for shia in the south
conclusion: no personal benefit + no community demand to make them change their way. one or another must be reached for any change

 

While the part about Christians wanting money, education and prosperity is probably correct, Lebanese Muslims do not all want to fight wars against Israel and impose Sharia law as well as an Islamic system like in Iran.

If you ask any Muslim in Lebanon if they want to live under an Islamic government, the vast majority will say no.

Remember that there are both Shias and Sunnis in Lebanon, and the Sunnis tend not like being controlled by a Shia government, and vice versa.

The civil war and the recent conflicts also were alot more about politics and power, then for imposing a religious view.

The way you describe Muslims in Lebanon probably applies only to a (usually economically underpriviledged) backwards minority that wants to live in the middle ages. I dare you to find one single Muslim in Lebanon who owns 3 cars, has his own business, 2 homes, etc and try to convince him to blow himself up... I don't think you will have much success.

Anyways, back to the point of the thread, I believe that if the girl genuinly has a fear that she will be persecuted if she is sent home, she should be given protection until she turns 18. No civilized country would deport a refugee who is certain that he will be tortured/killed in his country because of his religious beliefs, this is pretty much the same scenario here.

 

She should go home and find out if her parents are waiting to do an Honor Killing on her best way to find out. or maybe she should text message her parents first and ask:

Ma, Pa! are you planning on killing me?
No, use to be a Muslim girl, we will not kill you, please come home we have preferred some Goat cheese and crackers for you, mmmm, you're favorite.

Okiedookie Ma, can I bring my Christian boyfriend with me?

No! You come here now, Pappy is waiting for you.

Bye!

 

This reminded me of a stupid joke I hope I'm allowed to tell

An Muslim Arab family, man woman and child decide to convert to Judaism and become Israeli Jews.

They go to the rabbi and the rabbi tell them that in order to convert they must cross a very dangerous river without being eaten by alligators. Once they make it to the other bank, they are fully kosher jews.

So first goes the father - and makes it.
Then the mother - she makes it too.

The child didn't get lucky.

When the mother starts to cry the father comforts her and says:
"stop crying...for god sake... its just an arab child!"