Seems like PR has a real value after all (Putting Matt Cutts' words to the test)

That makes sense, doesn't it? PR is related to number of backlinks pointed to a web page and the more links you have, the greater the chance the the bots will find one of them and crawl your site. So, the more links you have gives you more PR and makes your site more accessible to crawl, but it's the backlinks rather than the PR that does that.

PR does influence SERPs but not as directly as Adamwestrop implies. It's one of a number of factors that Google uses to calculate your ranking but it is not the most important factor. One of my sites outrank a number of sites that have a higher PR.

 

Ok lot of confusion and misinformation here.

firstly you have to distinguish between real PR and toolbar PR. Toolbar PR is just a vague representation of your ballpark levels of Real PR, no more.

Real PR does affect rankings, both directly and indirectly. however we cannot see nor measure real PR, so stop worrying about it.

Toolbar PR does not affect rankings, it may at best reflect your ranking power a little while ago, but don't pay much attention to it, it is inaccurate, vague, and rounded up or down randomly.

it also randomly changes up and down, and from grey to 3 or 4, and back again. some think it is also manipulated and used as a smokescreen to muddy the waters to seo efforts.

Real PR is the main factor as to how many pages get into the main index, and therefore are able to rank at all.

After that ranking is much more dependent on the many other relevancy signals than PR alone, BUT if you have 2 identical pages, the page with the highest (real) PR will rank higher.

any questions?

 

Yes, I should have written "correlates" instead of "affects" (actually I did so in my blog). Thats the more appropriate term.

The thing, I was primarily interested in, when I did that little analysis was, if PR can be used as an estimate for how fast you can get new content indexed by Google.

 

why are you re actively waiting for new content to be indexed?

pro-actively index it, this is what onsite blogs are for. link to new pages or new node pages from a blog post, (auto)ping, post indexed, links followed, new content indexed within 24 hours.

 

I am not. I just find the question interesting of how long it would take, if you did nothing.

 

ok, well it's about 3-4 weeks for a PR3 domain and generally about once a week with a (static) PR5, but can be much more often if the content changes regularly.

i personally think this is where caffeine will be much, much faster.

 

It is really true that new content in blog can be indexed within an hours or just a minute. But it is really true that if you ping it , it will get indexed easily?But I also observed that it is not easy to get index in google especially using the directories and other forum posting

 

we can be indexed and at the top of Google for easy searches with a new blog post in literally 2 minutes. not always so fast, but often. nearly always within 20 minutes though.

Wordpress (and most blogs) auto-ping, just press publish and walk away.

 

Very true. My PR5 websites get crawled much faster and occasionally than my PR0/1 websites. Even thou my real money pakers are the PR1's ... It's all about traffic

 

Hmm... interesting discussion


It is also important to note that sites having the same page rank may not have the same number of links and certainly differs in its relevant quality links. Also sites will differ in its domain age - domain maturity.


Hence there are times when we see sites having lower PR but yet ranking well for competitive keywords. Such site could probably have been online for a while and have good loads of relevant inbound links. It could have been penalized and loss its PR. These sites would certainly not experience a drop in its SERP despite the loss in PR


Yet there are other sites that are "newer" and have limited relevant inbound links. These sites when penalized or experience a drop in PR will most probably experience a drop in its SERP too.


There are many factors involve in Google SERP algorithm

 

Thank you....All things being equal, the higher PR site will rank higher.

Also relevancy in links against higher authority (PR links) is a hot topic, but I can personally experience that the more authoritive links with a slight relevance spin work best.

PR is not the most important thing in ranking, but PR links from well aged domains and respected domains work wonders and will increase your PR and trust.

Can't be bothered with this discussion anymore, too many newbs at DP...Think Im gonna stay more at WF where a lot of the seasoned pro's are.

SEOIBIZA - Glad to see there are still some well oiled minds here.

 

I think this is very true. PR is directly proportional to crawl rate and I have seen Matt Cutts mentioning it in few of his posts. PR does help to increase the crawl rate.

 

lets make a test by comparing apples to apples.
these are twin apples but .. first apple has a pr2 and the second has pr7.

who do you think will come higher in the SERP ?
maybe not as it used to be, but i definitely think that pr does matter.

cheers

 

I totally agree. It really has and effect on rankings. Both PR and SERP have the same thing in common and that is back links. Both of them uses back links to calculate whose blog or site is going to have high PR and whose gonna be on top of SERP.

 

simple way to prove pr means something is this..

install the seoquake plugin for firefox

search any term in google. The sites with high pr will show up on page 1 and 2. The rest are all pr n/a and pr 1 .. so on

 

authoritive links with strong relevance work the very best

"..it takes one to know one.." I think?

 

I guess it was warning from Google they have suspicions that you sell links and that's why took your PR away. So next step your web site may loose its position. As far as I know Google has a black list with web sites who sell links and they warn them in different ways. If you contact its rep and ask them to review your web site then you will prove that you sell links. It's like a double-edged weapon.)

 

I am not sure about this. Google is not re-indexing my site even though I submitted all the urls in a sitemap, so may be the thread is true. My site is PR0 currently and may be thats why, but still if it wont crawl, why have a field for sitemap submission in the first place?

 

What difference between Domain PR and page PR ?

 

PR has a big effect on a site's performance in SERPs. If you have 50,000 pages on your site and a homepage PR of 0, you'll get very few pages in the main index no matter how good your internal linking scheme. Get a homepage PR of 5 or higher and you'll have tons of pages turning up in search results even if you have few external links pointing at your inner pages.