Did Scotland Make the Right Decision in Releasing the Lockerbie Bomber?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Bohol, Aug 20, 2009.

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    And the alleged bomber got a hero's welcome in Libya today.

    Should the bomber languish in prison until death? What do you think?
     
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  2. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    Scottish law says terminally ill prisoners get released on compassionate grounds, regardless what the yanks think.
     
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  3. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    No. He murdered 270 people, where is the compassion for the families of the victims? They should have let him rot in prison. Here is one of the family members on her reaction to his release, "You get that lump in your throat and you feel like you're going to throw up," said Norma Maslowski, of Haddonfield, New Jersey, whose 30-year-old daughter, Diane, died in the attack.
     
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    They get to make their own laws. I'm not sure why he could have not been transferred to US authorities and tried here but I don't know a lot about the case or international law, so whatever. I can deal with the decision of the Scots, it's the way they do things. But you can always leave it to the arab world to provide a WTF moment, and they did when they welcomed him home as a hero.
     
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  5. Bohol

    Bohol Peon

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    According to a CNN interview, in the past many criminals in Scotland were just left to die in prison. What makes the Lockerbie bomber an exception?
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    Well his conviction was one of the most unsafe convictions in British history on the meagerest amounts of evidence, but that's neither here nor there, he was convicted and that's what we have to go on. And as he was convicted in Scotland they have the capacity to release prisoners who have very little time left to live.

    maybe it's a cultural difference, but in Britain people who think instead of react don't see prison as a form of retribution where people can "rot" if we think their crimes warrant it, have got enough press coverage or have in some way affected americans, We see it as a place to put people who pose a risk to the rest of us and while they are there they are all entitled to the same things.

    There is no reason why someone convicted in Scotland shouldn't be entitled to all the rights afforded to people convicted in Scotland, which includes compassionate release on the grounds of a terminal illness and being near death.

    It's not like he has been sent on holiday. He has been sent home riddled with cancer to die. let it go.
     
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  7. imad

    imad Peon

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    I m very glad that this innocent man has been released, I feel sorry for the victims, and their families, but I m sure the families of the victims would feel glad too when they know this man is innocent, and would demand to go after who actually did it, and not just anybody to throw the blame on.

    if you been following the events since this tragic event started, the blame was first to Palestinians supported by Syria, there even been a Toshiba cassette in which USA claimed that these Palestinians were discussing the "bomb that blew up the plane at Lockerbie", there were also lot of other evidences that been collected against that Palestinian group and Syria,

    then Suddenly at the end of 1990, USA surprisingly announced that they been wrong about Palestinians and Syria, but this was because they needed Syria support for Gulf war in 1991, we know that Syria been a part in the allied forces then, could it be that this case been used to buy Syria's position as a part in the allied forces?

    so? make up your mind US and UK, who did it? Palestinians, or Libyans, or Syrians? or most likely somebody else?

    the man is a hero in the eyes of Libyan people, because by handing him to the court the siege that been put unjustly on the Libyan people, had been lifted, while he spent years in jail for something he did not do and did not plan or participated in.
     
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    yebel89@gmail.com Active Member

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    You're ridiculous... If he killed your children, I wonder if you'd be advocating his release.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    imad likes Islamic terrorists. He shamelessly celebrates them.
     
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  10. Bohol

    Bohol Peon

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    The book "The Lockerbie Coverup" will help us enlighten this issue. Anyone has a copy of this jaw-dropping book?
     
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  11. imad

    imad Peon

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    If he was innocent, wouldn't you advocate his release and demand that the one(s) who really killed should be punished instead?
     
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    ThraXed Peon

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    ANYONE with ANY sense knows this man was innocent, i don't think anyone actually believes he was behind it, including Scottish police.

    Pamela Dix, a prominent British relative whose brother Peter was a passenger on the flight, said she was "really disappointed" and "frustrated" at Megrahi's decision to drop the appeal. "These questions are still out there: what was the motivation for the bombing, who ordered it, who carried it out and who was at the top of the chain of command," she said.

    Martin Cadman, of Burnham Market in Norfolk, who lost his son Bill, 32, in the bombing, said: "I would wish to know the reason for Megrahi withdrawing his appeal. It's a very suspicious development."

    Megrahi's lawyers have said they can prove he was framed for the bombing. They claim they can disprove key scientific evidence and show that evidence against Syrian-backed Palestinian terror groups was deliberately suppressed.

    Fancy that another cover up, when or where will it all end. The man was obviously innocent so the appeal had to be prevented at all costs so a deal was struck. How about the people who stitched him up pay him compensation, no not the tax payer, the actual criminals who put him behind bars knowing he was innocent.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/14/lockerbie-bomber-abandons-appeal

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100006385/lockerbie-did-we-jail-the-wrong-man/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/sep/02/theairlineindustry.libya

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1977670.ece
     
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  13. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    The combination of a release, the fact that the Libyan population celebrated his return to their nation, and the recent actions by Qaddaffi toward Switzerland, just reinforce to me the problems that the West has in dealing with Islamic entities.

    I have no control over Scottish law. They released him. It made me unhappy. Seeing the response in Libya deepened my perspective that there are millions of miles to go between the West and Islam.

    There will be millions of more problems in the years ahead.
     
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    Yes - he is dying in a jail in a country he isn't from, and his mother doesn't know.

    His conviction is false or very weak at the best - the evidence given was nonsense (as people know now). Even if he is guilty, he still deserves to die in his own country with his own family.
     
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    Do you not consider the mans innocence a matter of importance? He was convicted on the most flimsiest of evidence, read about it.
     
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  16. ChaosTrivia

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    The Lockerbie investigation was one of the most vast and comprehensive investigations in flight history, if not the most. National geographic made a 60-minute show about it which I happened to see couple of months ago which I still remember, It excited me a lot.
    It lead directly to the Libyans and thraXed's murderer friend in particular: They constructed the whole fucking plane from pieces scattered over hundreds of kilometers, and used investigation teams spread over 3 continents.....The detonation clock made in Switzerland, the reconstruction of the luggage hall to identify the exploding package...an amazing, breathtaking operation.

    As you can see in the wikipedia article below, the investigation entered the hall-of-fame of aerial disaster investigations and taught in aerial forensic schools all around the world.

    Lockerbie investigaion
    Read about this masterpiece!

    But we don't need such a fancy investigation operation to know 100% that Libya is behind the attack. Here's why:
    This is what kind of person the Libyan dictator, Gadaffi, is. "Honor must be saved". If from all people on earth, Gadaffi himself admitted and paid millions in compensation, it is more likely that thraXed will join an IDF elite squad than that Gadaffi is not behind the inhuman operation.

    The murderer should have rotten in jail until the last day of his life.

    So fellow westerns members of the free educated world, don't get excited about thraXed, which is a holocaust denier as well.
     
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    aha .. and found Megrahi's fingerprints on the wing?

    anyway Chaos, for you, if he is Muslim, then he is guilty.. no need to reconstruct anything or find any evidence,

    but for about half of the victims' families, they see else, and they been supporting Megrahi's appeal, unfortunately, Megrahi been forced to abandon it, as a part of the deal, die in prison, or abandon the appeal and die at home between family and friends, how compassionate?!

    compassionate is in not letting an innocent man stay one day in jail unjustly, I hope the victims' families, will keep pressing, it's because of them Megrahi been released, because they wanted to know, and been supporting the appeal, they should not stop now, not before the real criminals are exposed.
     
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  18. ChaosTrivia

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    No imad, for you if he is muslim, he is innocent.
    for me, if a person was convicted in court after a breathtaking worldwide investigation, he is guilty. even if he is jewish.
    Unlike in your country, the education system where I grew up teach me to judge individuals by what they do, not by their religion.
    You did not read the wikipedia article I'm sure of that.
    And what do you think about my own argument at the end of the post? why did Gadafi pay the compensation? what happened to "honor must be saved"? this is not admissible in court... but it is admissible in the kingdom of logical thinking where I live, you are more than welcome to drop for a visit from the kingdom of the prophets and angels here in the kingdom of knowledge and logic.
     
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    Yeah look at the lengths they went to, to get him prosecuted and it resulted in him being convicted on a tiny piece of flimsy evidence (which everyone says was forged), and the 2nd defendent being declared not guilty.

    Unlike you, people want the people who done this brought to justice for the familys that suffered, they want the perpetrator on trial, not any random Muslim that American or Israeli idiots grab out of a bag.

    Have some sense.
     
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    Unlike you, I believe in the justice system of the country in which you live.

    Maybe something was not clear in my previous post so I will repeat it:

    The investigators did walk a long way, but they followed the evidence, not your friend. Your friend popped up in a rather late stage of the glorious investigation which made it into the hall-of-fame, as evidence proved his responsibility.
    The evidence was unambiguous. Gadafi himself, a "Homor must be saved" person, admitted that your role-model, the murderer, was his messenger, and paid compensation.
     
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