I just want to post this thread because I was thinking that the israeli people might have wrong idea about Islam and that they might think that God hate them and block them from repentance. Such bad thinking about God is very wrong and must be finished. So, here is a translation of the revelation of God Glory be to Him: O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you, and fulfil your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My (part of the) covenant, and fear Me. (40) And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me. (41) Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (42) Establish worship, pay the poor-due, and bow your heads with those who bow (in worship). (43) Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practise it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense? (44) Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded, (45) Who know that they will have to meet their Lord, and that unto Him they are returning. (46) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. (47) And guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped. (48) And (remember) when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none save Allah (only), and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to mankind; and establish worship and pay the poor-due. Then, after that, ye slid back, save a few of you, being averse. (83) [chapter 2].
Polite teen my friend. I don't have a wrong thinking about Islam - I am far from being an Islam expert. I don't have thinking about Islam at all. Not about Judaism. Not about Jesus. We live in different world, I live on earth, you live in the sky with the angels. All I do, is listen to the news and see what is happening in the world, and what I can learn from this. I will now in an untypical manner do some "verse fighting" with you, one of the most foolish things people like to do here on DP. Its my first time so please have mercy on me. You posted verses 40-48 from Surah 2. They are cool. Great. What about the verses that are not so cool in Surah 2? 98. Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith. 65. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." source . Different translation: [2:65] You have known about those among you who desecrated the Sabbath. We said to them, "Be you as despicable as apes." source three questions: 1) Is there any possibility that 2:98 and similar verses are responsible (in part or in full) to this? what do you think? if not, then tell me what is the real reasons behind the events in the table, seen in the Muslim world ONLY. 2) Is there any possibility that 2:65 and similar verses are responsible (in part or in full) to this? what do you think? if no, then tell me what is the real reasons behind this terrible "children show" (I hope you agree that its terrible?), seen in the Muslim world ONLY. 3) just by reading [2:65] and seeing my people called and compared with apes, makes me puke. don't you find this verse disgusting? something that god will never say, only people can be so evil? Looking forward for your enlightening answers.
Sorry, but the website is blocked, so can you quote for me what you want to show, please. I really don't see any harm in the verse above, it is logically accepted. If I am an enemy for God and His angels and His messengers, then God is an enemy for me. If I love God and His angels and His messengers, then God loves me and His love is better than my love. Maybe, but the verse was talking about some kind of people who disbelieved in God and violated His rules. If you behave like them, then you are like them. If I behave like them, then I am one of them. So, don't think that it is against you, unless you are barbaric like them. The speach of God is Truth and Highly Exalted Above falsehood which is disgusting. The people who disbelieved in God and challenged Him are the disgusting and thus they were transformed into their realities and so will be the case with those who follow them. I have to condemn the criminals, not to defend them. I condemn my ownself for what I sin, so why not condemning the people who do wrong? Being sad is something, and defending them is something else. I am sad for my people who are disbelievers, but I reject their errors completely. Actually, I have to reject them, but if I couldn't, then I have reject at least their deeds and I have to defend them not. If a person saw the police killing his father for he killed many people, he will be sad, it is natural, but he will not defend him against the police if he was really noble human being. I will try to tell the next generation of my people to read the history, The history is a mercy for those who have sense, because they try to avoid the errors of the past, and follow the good things thereof. All the Praises and thanks be to God for giving us many examples of the history to enhance our life, but only men of understanding really heed. [3:7]
Have a look at a noble jewish rabbi who are now in Paradise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Salam
Originally Posted by ChaosTrivia: 1) Is there any possibility that 2:98 and similar verses are responsible (in part or in full) to this? what do you think? if not, then tell me what is the real reasons behind the events in the table, seen in the Muslim world ONLY. Link works perfectly fine here. Please let me know if you can't access it. Lets stick verse 2:65. In the education I received from my mother and father, calling a big group of people/or even suggesting that they are "donkey", "thieves", "monkeys", is bad. My mother would point my finger at me and tell me: "you don't use such words!". If I would have said: "mother, the people of our city are monkeys." or "mommy, You have known about those among the people of our city who desecrated the Sabbath. I said to them, "Be you as despicable as apes." - I would earn a big slap. It seems that your "god" did not receive the great education I received from my mother, according to which there are things a civilized person's ear is allowed hear, and those that should not be said. I am talking only about the choice of words. My questions to you: 1) Why did your god choose to use such an abusive, offensive (I would even say, barbaric) language against my people? My mother would have slapped him. Couldn't your god just say: "not nice people", "people who you should not take as your teachers", "bad ones", or even "kafers (infidels)". But why monkeys? what is the position of the Muslim intellectuals regarding god's choice of words in this verse? 2) now lets forget about the choice of words. I want to be your Quran student. can you translate this verse to the most simple English? what is it actually saying? 3) What will be your reaction if your 4 year old daughter comes back from kindergarden and tell you what she heard there: "Father, the jews are the sons of apes"? Thank you. I see that your god serve also as a role model in your choice of words when you (try to) engage in a civilized debate. Here is a reflection of the problem that your posts demonstrate in the best possible way: For people who believe in freedom and science, calling another person disgusting is less of an offense than calling a verse disgusting. In your world - the opposite is true: the verse (or the "honor" of the quran and prophet) is worth more than the lives of a million people. Indeed?
I like it so much when you called the person: "a noble jewish rabbi". Too bad you know nothing about the Nazi ideology, which is reflected in this terrible quoted post of yours. I guess in your country, they don't teach too much about it in school.. don't they? I am too lazy to enlighten you on this manner too. lets stick with my previous post regarding the glorious jews-apes verse.
It is blocked for me, I couldn't access. 1. She point your finger at you telling you: don't lie. 2. She was explaining the fact that you are the person to be disgraced, and thus gain much slap. Highly Exalted is Allah, The Source of Nobility and Knowledge, Above that imperfect situation. He educate you and your mother and all those on Earth and He will slap the wrong doers amongst you. You think too high of yourself, but He will show you the fact that your face and all the disbelievers' are just down under His Majestic foot. 1. Freedom of expression. 2. When my Lord describe things, He describe them accurately. 3. You are the barbaric. miraculous choice of words. translation: And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday). We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected." (65) These were people who used to change the word of God for worldy gain, so they were changed. That is so because Allâh will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves. And verily, Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. (53) Similar to the behaviour of the people of Fir'aun (Pharaoh), and those before them. They belied the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), of their Lord, so We destroyed them for their sins, and We drowned the people of Fir'aun (Pharaoh) for they were all Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers). (54) May Allah enlighten us with His Image so that we will be Beautiful, Shining, Alive. May He not block us from Himself so that we will not be ugly, gloomy, destroyed. Amen. I will tell her that they are not sons of apes, they are sons of a wonderful human being called Israel, peace be upon him. Only the disbelievers who practiced crimes of them are the apes, the other are human being. If israeli atheist were present, I would tell her about the evolution theory of Darwin. Those who believe in the Just, the Lord of freedom, know what you don't know, hence they consider the Quran as reference for justice and nobility that is to be respected and honered. Being too low to reach that level is your problem. They are not supposed to lower themselves to satisfy you. Note: My God is more important than I am, He is the Source of all Goodness I have. If you speak bad against the One whom I worship, then you are not kind with me at all, so I don't consider you as well.
The only explanation I have: you probably live in a Dark Dictatorship that blocks anti-islamic websites. Try surfing using a proxy from the US, such as proxify.com. Good luck, I hope you won't end up in jail because of me....So brave of you to live in such a place.
Who cares about Mohammad and an old book in 21st century? While Mohammad was a great man in his time, if we move him with same knowledge to our time, he won't survive for one day. The problem between Jews and Arabs (not Muslims) is about a piece of land. The world should either let them to fight it out or step in and fix it by force. When political problems are fixed, nobody will give a damn about what is in Quran.
You are an absolute idiot to post without knowing anything about history. During most of history Muslims and Jews were allies against Christians. The worst enemy of the Jews were Christians and not Muslims. Read the history about how Christians burned Jews alive during crusades, the tradition which was continued in Nazi Germany but at least German killed them first. The problem in Middle-East is political first, religion is just used by both side to justify their goals.
Thanks for the history lesson. Now, who is a bigger threat to Jews today? Do you have the integrity to answer this question?
I don't know who is the bigger threat to Jews today. In USA, probably all the red necks, in France Skin heads, in Germany most likely Neo-Nazi groups. If you mean who is bigger threat to Israel, all the Arabs who have been previously displaced from their homes or presently are being removed from their land. This in combination with different Arab countries leaders who feel in order to become a symbol of Arab leadership, they have to at least verbally fight against Israel.
I just love these people who make these off the cuff statements Please enlighten us how the subsequent wars after 1948 between Israel and its neighbours was due to religion? What about Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? Iraq and Iran War? Dessert Storm? Invasion of Iraq. Northern Ireland conflict.... Wait... You said Middle East right? Oh well, I'd be interested to hear how you can tie religion as the cause to any of these
If you want to make this a religious thing, it may also be well worth to look up Christian involvement in PLO terrorism. Ever wonder what the religion of the guy that started all the PLO hijacking in the 60-70s??
It is not contradicting to believe that we descended from monkeys and at the same time be insulted to be called a "monkey", many things happened since we departed from our ancestors some 300,000 years ago. If you were joking, then fine if not ... think what this demonstrates...
Talk about yourself, if you are son of monkeys, then that is your problem. In that case, you are not following Israel, you are just using his name to hide your shame. We are children of Adam, peace be upon him, and enough is that name to be recognized and respected amoung the creatures. God designed our father with His Noble Hands, so our origin is wonderful since the begining. All the praises and thanks be to God for each Favorite upon us.