Embryology in The Holy Qur'an confirmed by Dr Keith Moore

I do not see cars falling from the sky formed by natural process

Where did the process came from and what are the components of the process ?

Its not me who did not accept and i do not accept it, many scientists did not and its just a theory, not a fact, you know the difference between a theory and a fact, don't you ?

 

Remember when i said the religious push their god back and relegate him to the unknown as more things become know? well you are doing it now. when god isn't the process you claim he must be responsible for "creating" the process.

No credible scientist rejects evolution. The evidence for is so compelling and so abundant that any scientist not brainwashed by religion accepts it fully. Every test and every discovery that could invalidate evolution ends up fully supporting it and any argument against it never actually addresses the evidence and focuses on asking stupid questions like "why are there still monkeys?" and "why cant we speak monkey?".

 

When the car need a process to be manufactured, the process is made and controlled by whom ?

When ice crystals are formed by a process as you said, the process made and controlled by whom ?

Its a theory, not a fact as i said before and its rejected by many scientists.

Until it become a fact and i don't believe it will become a fact, then you can believe in it as mush as you like and i can believe in other theories which fit my thinking as mush as i want

When it become a fact like the fact that 1 +1 = 2 and like the fact that a creation need a creator like the fact that a car need a manufacture then you can rely on it

 

Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution explains the fact. Just like knots are a fact and knot theory explains them, tides are a fact and tide theory explains them, gravity is a fact gravitational theory explains it.

Theories explain how or why something does what it does. In the case of evolution, it explains how animals evolve. I expect you to now ignore that this distinction has been made.

 

1+1 = 2 is a fact no one can deny it.

Evolution is a theory try to explain where did human came from and its not a fact and of course a theory try to explain a fact, that is why a theory is called a theory, but its not called a fact

And lets suppose its right for a second, where did monkey came from and you will tell me it came from something else and so on and then at a point of time we will reach the question where did the universe came from and your answer is ?

I will tell you what is your answer, your answer will be based on another theories which can not be proved, which mean you do not know

But:
1+1= 2 is a fact, not a theory.
Me and you are existing is a fact, not a theory.
Car need a manufacture is a fact, not a theory.
Ice crystals process need a controller is a fact, not a theory.
Any creation need a creator is a fact, not a theory.

 

um, well done?

A theory isn't a rung on the ladder of certainty. theories never become facts because that isn't what they do. Theories don't state things, they explain things. Evolution its self is a fact, it is a fact that animals, as species, change. The process that causes that change is explained with the theory of evolution. that is, procreation with modification and natural selection.

What you are saying is as facile as saying gravity isn't a fact because there exists a "gravitational theory".

my answer is; you are committing the logical error of supposing that the science of biology has answers to questions pertaining to cosmology. Evolution has no explanation for the origin of the universe, or even the origin of life, it's the explanation to the diversity of life.

again you are doing something which i predicted. You are offering no arguments against evolution beyond the facile question of "yeah, well if evolution is right, explain how the universe got here" which is such a stupid point it made me want to smear shit all over my computer monitor rather than sit here typing a response as if your point even remotely warranted one.

Knots are a fact, the knot theory explains them.
tides are a fact, tide theory explains them.
gravity is a fact, gravitational theory explains it.

tell me what part of this simple concept are you having difficulty understanding.

the thing that annoys me with you people is the fact that you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of evolution yet feel entitled to hold and express an opinion on its validity,

 

The prcoess of evolution is a fact, so much so that even the Pope accepts it. Seems you have your facts and theories a bit mixed up there.

The statement "evolution is both a theory and a fact" is often seen in biological literature. This statement arises because evolution is used in two ways. In short, the word is ambiguous. The "fact of evolution" refers to the changes in populations of biological organisms over time, which are known to have occurred through scientific observations and experiments. The "theory of evolution" refers to the modern evolutionary synthesis, which is the current scientific explanation of how these changes occur. Misuse and misunderstanding of these terms have been used to construct arguments disputing the validity of the theory of evolution.

Evolution is not meant to explain where the universe came from, that we do no fully understand yet.

 

It is clear im speaking about Human Evolution theory and i did not say it explain the origin of the universe:

Here is what i did say:
(and at a point of time we will reach the question where did the universe came from and your answer is ?

And thank for saying its a theory and try to explain a fact, which i already know, but you did not prove anything and you did not prove its the correct theory neither.

 

My answer is, as it was, the origin of the universe has nothing to do with evolution, Which is what you were questioning the validity of. Or are you trying to change the subject after having your ass handed to you?

 

Let me refresh your memory:

Read again and once again im speaking about Human Evolution and its not a fact its a theory.

You did not prove its a fact and you have proved nothing.

You can call it one million time a fact but that's does not prove it.

 

You are still ignoring what people are teaching you. Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is an explanation of how it happens. Stop committing the equivocation fallacy, develop some integrity and address what people are saying.

Are you saying gravity isn;t a fact either because there is a gravitational theory? What about knots and tides? do they not exist either?

 

Let me ask you one simple question.

(Human evolution) is a fact ?

I just need Yes or No, i do not need any kind of explination.

 

Of course it is.

 

Thanks for your simple answer.

Can you tell me whats make it a fact ?

 

I will tell you.
--->> Millions of tiny bits of pieces of evidence from all fields of research.

Just one example of a million:
The U.S. military is measuring since 1920 the height of the men that are recruited to service. Unfortunately I did not find anything online, but I read it once in a scientific journal, so u'll have to believe me, that the average enlisting american soldier constantly grow in average height (I also don't remember by how much...)
Besides, if you are 1.90cm like me and went once to a roman archaeological site, you would probably have trouble going past the doorstep without banging your head. When I go to the too many archaeological sites in Israel I look at the doorsteps and think: "those people were midgets. good that we evolved since then ".

 

No, i will not

 

Read this Dodara, it shows real examples. If you click on the "source" link at the bottom, there is more.

Dodara, one thing I've been wondering...

You cannot prove how we got here, so you assume it's some magical entity that made us, but why islam? Have you ever doubted? Were you raised that way your whole life? This is not to provoke you or offend you, but I've ruled islam out without any hesitation at all. I've read about Muhammeds life in Medina of murdering, beheading, and looting, and think he was a vile sick man. Take a look at the bible and you find Abraham keeping a slave, and raping her to use as a baby factory. Look here about Moses...

"God still finds fault with Aaron's action. Exodus 32:23 states, "And when Moses saw that the people were broken loose for Aaron had let them loose for a division among their enemies." This criticism is lodged against Aaron for one can not make compromises with idol worship. The emotion is so powerful that if one allows it to be expressed in his behavioral patterns, it will ultimately dominate his actions and destroy him. Moses upon his return took extremely drastic measures. He openly expressed outrage and threw the tablets to the ground and shattered them. He thereby gathered to his side the Levites, who killed three thousand men. Moses' extreme actions were purposeful to demonstrate that one can not compromise nor tolerate with the emotion for idolatry. The basic philosophy of Judaism is antithetical to these type of emotions." source

Dodara, why are these killers and rapists considered the moral authority in monotheistic religions? Why even believe anything they have said? If I just picked a random average Joe off the street, they would probably have more ethics and morality than any of these so called prophets. Don't you think so?

 

Two thing. The vast, vast amount of evidence and the fact that humans, like all other animals, are organisms that reproduce with variation and who's reproductive sucess rate is determined by how well suited they are to their environment.

For evolution to occur the following things need to be true.
1. Organisms genetics need to be inhereted with variation
2. The envonment causes those best suited to it to generally have more offspring.

Now which of those two statments is untrue? Because of you accept that both are true then you'd have to accept that evolution is a fact. So, which one is untrue?