1. If you cant stand people bashing PageRank stay out of the forums. 2. PR is not very important. In fact it is hardly important. It is actually a fun point at Google to watch everyone debate over a numeric figure nobody but Google knows the true value of. 3. PageRank DOES NOT mean your website is optimized properly. 4. Many sites have no PageRank and have ranked in the top results for high traffic keyword terms. 5. PageRank is not a determination of how important a page is but rather the score of the links pointing to the page. 6. Link spam makes 1,000,000s of worthless unimportant pages with PageRank important. So sad to say PR is just a game Google came up with to make webmasters chase their tail.
MattUK is correct, I believe. PR from irrelevant sites does not contribute to SERP positions, but follows from relevant links. That said, I would also very much be interested to see examples of '4' above - sites with zero PR doing well for difficult keywords. i don't see them in my niches. You can have high PR (bought links, irrelevant links etc) and not rank well, but I doubt you can rank well without high PR.
I've also not seen many sites ranking without PR, though sites without PR don't tend to have good links, so it's not the abscence of PR that causes them to fail, but the abscence of good links.
OK to be fair lol... the sites did not have visible toolbar PR........ But in all honesty they had internal Google PR which is why they ranked well. So for all intents and purposes #4 is true but not...... hope that clears things up...
just get links with your target a-text... PR goes up and down... who cares... at the end if you have more links it will balance out..
search google - matt cutts # 9 clickz has PR0 [SIZE=-1]www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3605961 - 84k - Jul 31, 2006 [/SIZE]
I'm gonna have to say that PR does still mean something. The relationship between PR and SERPs is changing and may be becoming less important, but PR still matters. I have a site that did nothing until I got PR 6, now it is in the top of the SERPs for the keywords I want.
Well sorry to Sound lame, but did anyone saw any variation on PR for their sites lately?? I have noticed a variation for iwebtool going to 4 from 5 on many datacenters - http://www.rankalert.net/dcwatch.php?url=www.iwebtool.com SEOchat also confirms it..
You see you look from only one vantage point but alot more went into getting those ranking results...for example page titles are very very important to ranking for your keyword terms. As a result a PR5, PR6, PR7 and higher or lower website with no title tags will not rank very well, if at all, on Google. ergo, PR means nothing ============================================================================================= Both are scripts reporting exported PR which the most accurate reading would come from Google itself via the toolbar. Since these are 3rd party scripts not privy to Google internal scoring of PageRank, you are at the mercy of both companies not employed by Google and how well they program their scripts. Given the fact that distributed computing environments do not update instantly worldwide one can never know the true values and therefore must work with hypothetical numbers which is a task in futility. Sort of like a dog chasing its own tale. Better to do the things you can control than to sit and measure a number you nor anyone else knows the true value of. Just my two cents....I could be right
Ohh PR is not nothing, It at aleast has power to effect Webmasters' sleep. We all say PR is nothing but wait eagerly to see an PR export. and even give up on our sleep.... PR has something....
You are right about the authenticity of scripts, no way we can Guarantee that those scripts are not showing fake figures. but If I remember right, until today all the datacenters were reflecting 5 for iwebtool even the toolbar PR was 5, but it had suddenly changed today..
Sorry, but no. Internal PR is not why sites rank well. You can achieve high PR with URL only links and you are not going to rank well for much of anything. The URL of a link tranfers PR, the anchor text of a link tranfers ranking weight. PR is really nothing more than a byproduct of linking in its' present form. Remove PR from the ranking equation and you'll likely see little to no change at all in the SERP's. PR's influence on the SERP's is likely little more than a tie breaker if at all. Dave
Hi, Dont know what the rant is about, as when I mention Internal PR I am refering to Google's Internal values that are updated daily for "Google Employees" and not the value of a websites internal linkings. Hope this clears things up for you.
Not a rant. Simply pointing out that PR, internal or otherwise, is not why sites rank well as you had posted. It has very little effect on the SERP's. Dave