Are You A 'Pure' Non-Vegetarian ?

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  1. Reseg

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    #21
    Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection Read up ;)

    ...and yes we are omnivores by our design and needs.

    It's a huge misconception that people think vegetarians are healthier because meat isn't good for you. While there are exceptions, typically vegetarians are from the start more concerned with their diet and picky eating and therefor more likely to avoid many very unhealthy foods.

    And for the OP, I also would not enjoy eating an animal considered a pet. I would not want to eat a cow someone considered a pet either. Bot dog I'd not look forward to at all because I've had dogs as pets that I've cared about as a friend. I've had fish also, but that's not a problem. I've never owned a fish that was happy to see me come home from work or want to cuddle with me at night lol.
     
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    #22
    The beginning of vegetarianism is not dated till now, so you cannot conclude that every man during stone age was a carnivore.

    Oh, Veg means avoiding every types of meat, not just of a particular species. you dont like banana? ok, what about apple and other fruits? hmm, not matching here, pls try some other.


    its you who is claiming in such manner that entire human race are meat eaters just because you are a meat eater.
     
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    #23
    You certainly don't know what generalization is.

    Human being(Homo sapiens) are considered unisexuals. Generally, you are either a male or a female. Having said that there are people who have the characteristics of both the sexes but that doesn't come into the generalizations.
     
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    #25
    of course, because a larger brain capable of more complex thought is beficial those born with any benificial trait will autatically have a better chance of surviving, would have more offspring and be selected by the environment.

    Lol did you think the brain got bigger because we started using it more?


    and I already told you that dietry clasification isn't based on an individuals prefrence, it's based on what they, as a species, have evolved to eat. Though I understand how inconvinient it would be for you to acknowledge this fact.



    are you not Reading or understanding a single thing I have said? Dietry clasifications are NOT based on preferences. It's based on what a species has evolved to consume. And considering that cannibalism in humans leads to serious illness and death (see laughing sickness) we havnt evolved to do it.
     
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    #26
    Doesn't most fish contain mercury? Hence why we get sick if we eat a lot of it.
     
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    #27
    Being born in a Hindu Brahmin family, I didn't eat any meat at all for the first 10 years of my life. I eat pretty much everything now including beef & pork. I was vegetarian by choice for a while before realizing that a diet with meat was necessary to be as healthy and strong as possible (I lift).
     
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    larger brain capable of more complex thought is selected for survival by the environment, so the larger brain is formed before the selection by the environment, im asking how these larger brains are formed.


    how to know that? as a species they evolved to eat what.
     
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    #29
    Non-veg food surely provides strength and stamina, so to compete with wrestlers, athletes or lifters who consumes non-veg, you should also consume those. Human beings necessarily not required to become fighters and athletes.
    Still you can get more than normal health and stamina consuming veg foods.
     
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    #30
    the same way everything forms. If one of the hundreds of mutations found in every consecutive generation is benificial then that individual is more sucessful, invariably has more offspring and passes on the genetic variation, that variation is then propogated through the species by natural selection. Then should another mutation improve of the benificial trait then that improvment is propogated via natural selection.


    the easiest way is to look at what the species generally eats. A more scientific way is to look at the mouths/teeth the species has, the enzymes in it stomach and even the amount of stomachs it has.

    For instance the beak of an eagle means it has evolved to eat meat, the mixture of canines, premolars and molars in humans means we have evolved to be omnivores and the grinding teeth and multiple stomaches of cows means they have evolved to be herbivores.
     
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    #31
    by generalization it does not mean the entire human race belongs to omnirvorous, infact it means majority.
     
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    Huh??? Forget it! :eek:
     
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    #33
    You are introducing new new terms to escape from my question. Anyway, now tell me what caused human body to undergo mutation and finally this mutation helped him to develop his brain.


    Humans eat meat only if it is cooked, what number of non veg people will happily consume uncooked meat?
    Raw meat is almost unable to digest also none of them naturally feels to take them unless its cooked. Its eatable only after it is processed. If humans are naturally omnivorous like others, then he should eat meat in whatever form he get them. You people argue that humans are naturally omnivorous like others.


    Should also consider the digestive system and other factors.
    Human intestine is about 8 times the length of our body, like herbivores.
    Omnivores' are 4-6 times the length of their body. Why? Because meat cannot be in the digestive tract as long.
    The time taken for digestion of meat (even if they are cooked) is more than the naturally allowed digesting time, and this can result to cancer.

    And for teeth and mouth, unlike other herbivorous, humans eat variety of vegetable food, which is to be sometimes teared, sometimes crushed, which may result to look similar to that of omnivorous or carnivorous.
     
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  14. Reseg

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    #34
    Mutations are random and not from a situation where something is needed. If a mutation becomes a benefit to survival, it catches on due to the higher chance of that individual surviving and reproducing turning it into an evolutionary characteristic.


    I can't speak for every country, I'm sure some are higher, some are lower, but I would guess in the US, just from sushi alone your answer would be over half of the population have happily consumed uncooked meat.

    Some countries have a lot of raw meat in their diets and some people choose to ONLY eat raw foods (incl meat) just like some people choose to NOT eat meat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism

    There are pros and cons to having meat uncooked vs. cooked, but the theory is we've learned to cook our meat over time to be able to consume and digest it faster and more efficiently which helped support our growing brains due to evolution.

    Again, as I said above, we are omnivorous by our design and needs. By design for the fact that we can consume and digest meat that other species can not. By needs... rather than get into too much detail that will just be ignored, just ask any serious lifter or bodybuilder just like member "eXe" said above. You grow more muscle and strength with meat in your diet even with a perfect veggie diet to the point hardly any vegetarians even attempt to deny it.

    We would see a much bigger difference in overall health if it weren't for the fact these days we have such easy access to all kinds of foods and abilities to create and get supplements which greatly helps vegetarians get what they need.

    Now, I'm not speaking against anybody's menu choice and never will. I AM against those either trying to BS or confused and say we aren't designed to eat meat.
     
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    #35
    I'm introducing terms required to answer your question. Mutations occur because gene replication isn't perfect.

    That's a preference. it's still meat.

    No. We have incisors for cutting vegetation, canines for tearing flesh and molars and premolars for grinding. Canines wouldn't have evolved to tear vegetation because they are crap at it.

    I'm having trouble why you are so intent on making a fool of yourself in your pursuit of denying the obvious. This is such a simple and obvious point. Humans are omnivores. You are starting to adopt the logic of creationists.
     
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    #36
    Actually Stox that is a blanket statement that you want taken as law. because we dont fully know the functions of genes and why they mutate we cant really say for sure. There are many scientists that say gene mutation can occur from cosmis and solar mutation. I didnt know that you made yourself the scientific law on this subject?

    Maybe down the road we will find out the full reasons of gene mutation and see that maybe genes mutate because they were designed to mutate. Notice I said maybe because I, like you dont know for sure and we can only speculate in theories about this reason. Its ignorant to lay it down as law when we dont know for sure.:)
     
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    We do know why gene replication isn't perfect. It's because sometimes nucleotides don't match and repairs are made to make them join, this results in a slightly differently coded gene.
     
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    #38
    Quite true. A section of muslims wont eat pork since it is forbidden by religion, but most other do eat pork. I think it is a question of personal preference.

     
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    Yeah!

    I have been with muslims who eat pork, with Hindu brahmins who eat oyster, beef, rabbit, and every crawling creature available:p
     
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    #40
    I guess it depends on how strictly they follow their religion.
     
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