Are you aware of Obama's future health care plan?

People who can't afford to go private are dealt with instantly, if their suspected condition warrents it. If you have a suspected heart defect or brain tumor you will be having tests within the hour, an ambulance will be sent to pick you up from your GP. are you going to jump ahead of people with cancer and be given a private room if you have an ingrowing toenail or a piece of Lego stuck up yr nose? No you won't.

The fact that most people don't have private health cover in England is a testament to the quality of our NHS.

By the way, the answer is no to all of your questions. Everybody is given the treatment deemed essential for prolonging and improving the quality of their lives.

 

I believe you forfeit your right to display the ron paul avatar. Please package and mail it to the campaign for liberty national headquarters, or just hand it to Nate or pingpong and they will take care of it for you.

 

Ron pauls politics always were very dogmatic. I kind of agreed with some of what he said, until his supporters started treating his camapign like it was the second coming of Christ and Paul as some kind of wrinkly old yoda based governmental prophet.

 

guru-seo is probably just one of the libs that jumped on board because he was anti-war.

 

Lol cmon logicflix, you didn't just trot out the old "not a real muslim/Christian/ron Paul supporter" line did you? Shame on you!!

 

I like Paul because he is as close as we can get to Barry Goldwater - except if Barry Goldwater Jr. were to run.

 

No, I refuse to buy your "our healthcare system is great" BS. Especially considering:

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649
source: Cathy Schoen et al., "Toward Higher-Performance Health Systems: Adults' Health Care Experiences In Seven Countries, 2007," Health Affairs, Web Exclusive, Vol. 26, No. 6, October 31, 2007, pages w717-w734. Available at http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/26/6/w717.

But claim all you want how great your system is while carefully not touching ANY facts on cancer mortality rates, wait time for specialists, and the % of people getting regular mammograms and such. I'm sure you're right and they just don't want to go and your system is working great. No doubt that 70% number was either a made up fact or people accidentally answered the question wrong.

You are surely qualified to judge what system is best for me and my country with all your amazing insight, experience, and lack of addressing facts.

BTW, you're acting no different than those "believers" you bash constantly for ignoring facts and going off their faith. Your "faith" in your system and ability to cover your eyes and ears to facts that might tell a different story is amazing. But instead of calling you an idiot like you do those people, I will just be happy for your contentment.

Meanwhile I will continue to voice my opinion on fixing or replacing our system to make it better while keeping our crappy government out of the management role. There is no room for politics in healthcare outside regulations as proven with our Medicare system.

 

Whose side are you on? The private health insurance industry? Or the doctors?

450,000 doctors support health care reform.

Don't get fooled by the private health insurance industry again. They are lying to you.

 

I've been in business a long time. Seen a lot of businesses fail and a lot succeed. Seen a lot of business plans. The ones that fail, always fail. You cannot just do it differently. If it failed once, it will always fail. When you look at failure, you need to look at what was done, not how it was done.

If it failed once, its always going to fail. PERIOD...

Here's something nice that was passed onto me today.

http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf

If Chris Dodd had the new health care plan as it is proposed, he'd not be getting this great treatment. In fact, he'd receive none. He's too old according to the Obama plan.

After listening to Dodd tout health care reform on the heels of his prostate cancer scare, its pretty obvious, even he's not read Obama's plan. He'd not get care under the plan. Meanwhile he's using his tragic (yet thankfully treatable) situation as a way of trying to push this health care plan forward.

What I'd really like to know is while all these people in congress are telling us that we should have what they have, will they have what we have when all is said and done? I mean its not like the government is running congresses or the president's health care right now. Its all private, and paid for by the people. Its not government run.

Mark my words, that Obama plan goes through, congress will continue to keep their plan.

 

Obama's own doctor of 22 years (his personal physician) is even against his plan. Sourced cited for the lazy people http://news.aol.com/article/obamas-former-doctor-against-health-care/596986

 

Reseg, reform is needed. We should always strive to make what we have better. But a system that requires improvments in some areas is better than no system at all. Your posts seem to rest entirely on the strawman claim that I believe nationalised health is flawless, which isn't what I have ever said. What I have said is that a system that provides for the vulenerable regardless of income which needs improving is better than no system that provides for the vulenerable.

By the way how many of those who claimed to be dissatisfied with the NHS said they would rather have no NHS?

 

It'd be helpful if those supporting this would actually read all 1017 pages.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

When you're done, come back and tell me how much you want to see this go through.

 

No idea, sounds like a poll you should put together and gather info for Polls can easily be biased by how the questions are asked. I assume this one isn't but I would be open to someone who had proof otherwise.

The biggest thing I want people to take away from that poll question is their grass is greener theory should be backed with research of the facts, not faith.

Reminds me of the story of the old wise man who lived in a village where people were dying in the winter due to the elements. He decided they needed to be in the cave up the hill so they all blindly picked up and followed him into what they later learned was a lion's cave. bah, I'm just kidding, I never heard any such story and just made it up. But it woulda been a good story and very relevant to this current movement trying to be pushed lol.

 

No I diDnt think the polls would ask them that. I mean, if you are manufacturing a poll with the intention of showing that people don't like nationalised health systems it wouldn't be wise to also show that even the people who are dissatisfied would still like to keep it.

 

Ahh, thank you for posting that Mia. I think earlier in this post I was complaining about what is outlined in Section 1233, whoever is interested in going back to the original bill and reading it. It really is scary what they will have control of....

And I'm frankly not happy that they want to cover ILLEGALS in this plan as well. Hey, come over here, break the law, and get what everyone else gets! Yippie!

 

Not a problem. The real thanks goes to another member here that passed this onto me.

Anyway, as some here like to think, "I make this stuff up"
If you don't always see a source it means you might want to stop being lazy and do your own research. I do not get all my facts doing google searches. Some of us actually read our news the old fashioned way.

This plan stinks. If these morons in Washington would actually read it they might come to that conclusion too. Too be honest, all you need to do is read about 30 pages or less to come to that conclusion. What that tells me is that not only have they not read the bill, they've not even paged through it.

They are relying on what the Messiah Barry, Osamabinbama has promised.

It must suck not being able to think for oneself.

 

Ron Paul become somewhat of a hero to those who were/are against the war in Iraq, and maybe the one in Afghanistan, too. And none of the candidates really went as far(maybe kucinich? not sure) to actually blame and criticize the US.

For a lot of anti-war libs I believe his outspokenness on the war and US policy was a good enough reason to support him. You can't expect all of them to go out and read about the tenets of libertarianism and decide whether it was a political philosophy they believed in.

No one who has a real clue about Ron Paul's political views, and who claims to be a supporter, would actually endorse anything close to government/socialized health care. It's completely antithetical to what Paul stands for.

Anyway, I sort of agree with guru's statement, but I never claimed to be a libertarian or Ron Paul supporter. And pingpong and Nate, I'll give you my avatar when you take it from my cold, dead hands.

 

Can I have your shit when they do that? Like the computers, vehicles and furniture?





For me Paul was the Second Coming of Goldwater - but is still no Goldwater.

 

You can have my fleshlight.

 

i actually need to look into this more closely and see what its all about.