Do you want to know what the true islam is ?

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  1. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #161
    What are you asking me ??? I already answered YES religion is not true if it is not complete or can be changed anytime without any problem ;)
    You need brain to understand my answer and i guess you lack that or you dont want to use it, Its got to be one ;)
     
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  2. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #162
    THANK YOU for answering. Thank you thank you thank you.

    I'm all done now :)
     
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  3. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #163
    Can you please answer few of mine questions now here is my first one thanks
    Jesus said rich men don’t go to Heaven easily and even implied that it wasn’t possible. Why are so many people with money and property Christian if they are probably going to Hell?
     
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  4. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #164
    He's using it metaphorically: people that care about riches don't get into God's presence: those that care about other people and eternal values, not worldly things, get to return to heaven.
     
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  5. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #165
    And i am still waiting for the answer for my last questions.
    Do you think the religion which can be changed that easily and the book which can be changed any time by anybody can be true?
     
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  6. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    Another question, I have heared that christian priest can refine you or something like that and the person can get rid of all the sins... Do you think you can do whatever you want and then go to priest and you are on your way to heaven do you think its that easy ??/
     
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  7. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #167
    As long as you don't change it, or get it changed back. (An example would be our King James version of the Bible, which has Joseph Smith's corrections in it.)

    Some Christian faiths practice this, but ours (LDS Church) is not one of them... but I THINK (not sure though) that in the catholic church, for example, this can happen, yes, during "Confession"? Perhaps somebody of that faith could confirm this.

    As for your other questions: it's hard to even FIND them since you seem to refuse to use punctuation like periods and question marks. It would make your posts MUCH easier to read.
     
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  8. jaree

    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #168
    I still didnt get clear answer. My questions is
    Do you think a religion which can be changed that easily or book that has been changed and can be changed can be true? YES OR NO
    So do you think it should be like that that anybody commit a big crime and then go to priest and he is fine? (Baptized) Do you think this is fine and should be allowed or do you think this is not good ?
     
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  9. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #169
    Did you change it?

    Read the last sentence of the bible and you get your answer.
     
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  10. highflyer

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    #170
    Jaree you keep asking compu to prove what he believes in is true. That's really not neccessary. He has told you what he believes in and you need to accept that, and stop trying to find faults in the faculty of his beliefs.
    All those instances about the bible being changed, and getting cleaned of your sins during confession - all that is a part of christian belief - and you dont need to challenge it or prove its not correct.
    Let him believe what he believes and you continue believing in what you believe. I dont see ANY reason for conflict here. =)
    The only purpose of this thread is to correct the misconceptions that exist about Islam or other religions. The questions you (jaree) are asking, arent misconceptions related to Christianity - but are infact some of their fundamental beliefs that you are challenging. But thats just my opinion. =)

    Anyway, in answer to one of your questions CompuXP, a religion is NOT true if it does not have the whole truth, or has something missing. We as muslims believe that our religion is complete, just like you as Christians believe the same about your religion.

    edit: i just realised i got red repped for one of my posts. i'd really like someone to explain the reason behind that. this is the comment:"please get lost and use your stupid Quran as toilet paper" VERY mature are we?!
     
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  11. Edz

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    #171
    My question ^^ to you.

    Your answer:
    So, if that is what you believe then how can you explain the following verses as non-violent and peacefull?
    You can't!

    And i am glad there are still Muslims that do not fully regard the Quran as truth in it's entire context and form otherwise there would be a whole lot more violence and acts of terrorism in this world.

    There are passages and context in the Quran that should obviously not be seen as truth or to live by! The part bolded in red is my point why!

    But you say: Yes, Sir Thats what we believe:)

    Which in fact should be: Yes, Sir Thats what I believe:)

    This is also the cause of evil that is been done and continues to happen by socalled peacefull Muslims and preaching that islam is a peacefull religion.

    If you truly know so much about the Quran then you must have known of these verses that preaches and encourage violence and death in the name of Allah.

    Which of course is not the basis of a peacefull religion.
    But this is also the same for the Christian religion where verses of these type of context can be found. Allthough finding Christians that live by that code is very rare in contrast to Muslims that believe and follow the violence preached in the Quran.

    Something for you to think about Jaree?

    So saying that one should follow the Quran by it's whole and context and should be regarded as truth there is where the danger lies.
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    O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. 5:51

    So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 9:5

    Verily I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks and smite over all their fingers and toes. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, them verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. This is (the torment), so taste it; and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire 8:12-14

    Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued 9:29

    And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers) 2:193


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    There is a substantial portion of Muslims in the world that preach and condone and practice violence in this world simply because they follow the Quran in it's whole context and regard it as absolute truth.

    Why Jaree?
     
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    #172
    I think it's time that I unsubsscribe from this thread, this is getting a bit ridiculous
     
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    #173
    Unreal, the more I learn about islam, the more normal scientologists seem :D :D
     
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    #174
    I think joseph smith and mohammad were on the same shrums when they got their stories! Strange how the 2 have very similar encounters, both even wrote their own books on these 'visions' (hallucinations)
     
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    #175
    Normal or not, Sciencetologists don't parade children around with mock-explosives on, to prepare them for their vocation.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #176
    Check your leaders Muslims

    If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.
    James 1:26 - Proverb
     
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    #177
    You can feel the spirit of hatred, the more from the Quran you read.
     
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    #178
    It depends how you mean it...... its actually happen when you read Quran with Hatred heart..... Quran is not Hatred its actually you are who mean it wrong....

    anyways.... some one says " Anay de aagay roiay, apnay Nain khoiay " (crying in front of a Blind will also make you blind)

    So.... as much we will try to explain our Islam, you peoples will only find bad things in it.... that shows how much hatred you have inside u.... so dont blame us!
     
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    #179
    Gee, a Muslim with the username "BOMB", what a shocker.... :rolleyes:
     
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    #180
    As i told before... its not Bomb.... Its BOMB ,,, (capital letters represent Abbreviation) do i need to tell you everything now?

    English is your primary language... not mine.... so it is a Shock you ask this question!
     
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