one thing is to try to prove that god does not exist by logical statements that comes out of your "probably A+ in Math "head... Totally other thing is to experience God by yourself. I was non believer too... nobody was able to convince me that god does exist, just like I can't convince you guys... And because of my life experience, right now I have no doubts at all about god's existence. But I am not saying that there is a hell and heaven and B-S like that, Christians are so wrong about so many things...
That's a personal experience then, and I can respect you telling us that. But it's anecdotal evidence, not something you can prove to others. I'd rather get stoned/crusaded on the internet by atheists than in real life by real religious bigots. Something that has and does happen.
Just as no atheist in here has come up witha single shred of logical proof or facts that god doesnt exist. I dont understand why we are debating this any longer? Its laughable that the atheist side cannot prove this and yet still cling to thei r beliefs. Maybe they have FAITH in what they believe in because i just cant see it proven or backed up by any facts.
We don't have evidence to disprove god in the same way that we don't have evidence to disprove the fact that the universe is based on a package of twinkies. Or that we're all really living out a fat man's dream. How many times must it be said? You're a libertarian, you're supposed to be logical and not fall for these logical fallacies.
He's a christian nate, they are deceitful and dishonest by their very nature. You could walk in front of him all day holding up a sign saying the very things that need to repeated on here a thousand times and he will still deny all knowledge of it. All they have are the same tired, facile points which have been thoroughly destroyed which they have to keep repeating. it's a good thing they lack integrity, because for the likes of you and I making an intellectual embarrassment of ourselves so consistently would be degrading. But for them, there is frankly no depth they are unwilling to sink to. I'm almost glad his god doesn't exist for his sake, because he would be ashamed of how pong conducts himself.
Well, back to the lightbulb. 1. You can turn a light bulb back on. 2. You cannot turn a brain back on. Lightbulb =/= brain. Same for the basic concept of a TV. If you shoot the light bulb to turn it off, then you have death - because it cannot turn back on. Comparing technology to biology is bunk. To compare the death of a human to a light bulb that can be turned back on is really stupid when you look at it. Comparing a brain to an ever-burning light bulb that then burns out is more accurate. Hence, upon death, your brain permanently ceases operation - and your consciousness becomes the void of nothingness. There is no light, there is no dark, there is no thought, it is simply gone. Now, once again to biology: Devolution is bunk. Every kind of change is a form of evolution, even if it is simplification of an organism. Evolution does not care about complexity, evolution is not guided by the hand of a magic man, and evolution could give two shits about making things better in our contrived views of what "better" is. Evolution follows an emotionless and planless route where that which is fittest shall survive, and that which is not may not. It is only the process by which the fittest creature for its niche will prosper and reproduce, while the unfit will not prosper and will die unless there are pocket populations unhindered by the pressures of the environment like the originating group - but even then that is a form of evolution as pocket groups do change over time to adapt incrementally to changes. The one thing creationists and even intelligent design advocates seem to be unable to comprehend is that incremental changes through small mutations results in cumulative effects of evolution. Bird A lives on an island with small nuts. Their short beak works great. Bird B lives on an island with bigger nuts, their small short beaks lack the power to open the nut without great effort. Bird group B has offspring with incrementally variable beak sizes. From small, to a tiny bit bigger with one. The one with the slightly bit bigger beak can crack open a nut a little bit faster. It eats more, and is healthier, and its offspring that carry the slightly larger beak do better. Over the generations this birds offspring prosper compared to the other birds. However, in a later generation a baby bird has a tiny bit bigger beak than the parent, and they can open the nut even faster, even if it is by just a few seconds faster. Third bird's offspring that have this new incremental change thus begin to successfully breed faster. This happens over the next 100,000 years. Then today the birds of group B have beaks three times the size of group A, which have had no changes in beak size, but instead remain virtually unchanged. However the changes over 100,000 years warrant group B being in their own species, as they are much different looking than group A, and have not interbred with that group for 100,000 years. This does not rule out the possibility of hybridization, but does mean they are significantly different. This is how evolution works. If you honestly believe that horses and cows suddenly evolved in less than a few generations... you're lacking in the basic concept of evolutionary change. But hey, religio nutters, you'll deny it, and say God did it.
Because to prove a bulding exists in a city it is enough to point at the object. But to prove a bulding does not exist in a city you have to know and see whole city. When it comes to whole universe consider we cannot see everything such as microwawe and any other many things it is impossible to prove sth. does not exist. But if you can show some tracks, signs of sth. you can prove the existence of that. I mean proving that sth. does not exist in the universe is impossible considering our really limited brain and abilities.
yes canavarPC there are many things in the universe we can not see microwaves yes and also thing like Dark Matter and Dark Energy. They exist but can not be seen. just like gravity Dark Matter and Dark Energy play a huge role in the development of our universe. and also our universe is ever expanding and will not stop becoz of dark energy as gravity pulls objects closer together dark energy pushes the galaxies apart at speeds faster then the speed of light. and NONE OF THIS WAS CREATED BY A GOD
I like this guy, he accepts that he cannot know everything. When it all comes down to it, it's based on faith.
"We can't know everything! We're stupid! Our computers mean nothing! Our collective knowledge means nothing! Our ability to build tools, figure out complex mathematical equations and also plot and plan better technology means nothing!" Go back to living in the stone age. We don't need you. We can know more and we do know more every day. One day we will accumulate enough knowledge to travel beyond our confines - but it is the folks claiming ignorance and then worshiping a deity instead of helping that hold us back.
Excuse me but it seems like the ones who are deceitful are the ones who push their agenda with hate all over the internet. I never once did that any where except to responding to these bs comments here made by atheists that are so judgmental and cannot themselves prove a shred of what they believe in. At least we all know that in the back of our minds the seeds of common sense have been planted and that its impossible for all of this to happen by chance. No Stox you can go back to your hate fill pro atheistic websites . Again the pot is calling the kettle black and i have yet to get a simple answer based on common sense. Could the universe have existed by random common sense. Do I have to go back to my leaf throwing experiment again. There is no more reason for me to participate in this debate since most of the knowledgable atheists can acknowledge that the universe couldnt have happened through random chance or chaos becoming order. They have enough basic common sense to realize this part. Like I said before, this is the reason why I love dp, because you can express your opinion no matter how much or little sense you make. Freepornddl - how do you know that because we cant see that god didnt create it. Lets delve deeper into this debate one last time before I end my participation in this thread title. We know very little about dark matter, but im sure if we did we would see that it also has an orderly formula for it to exist. The operative word here is ORDER, and if it has order and a formula it means that it had to have been created by some intelligent being or intelligent force. Order cannot arise from random chance or chaos.
Go have a cry you little baby, then think about what other lies and disinformation you can spread in your propagander war against human advancement and for the protection of primitive mythology.
If cards were randomly shuffled and then dealt out then once in 80,658,175,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times they would come out in the exact order they were packaged, now given time is infinite this would happen many, many times so order can arise by chance. The laws we know are because they exist, but if they were different then they'd be the laws we know and we'd still accept them. My daughter once asked me why her eyes are blue and I told her because if they were green she'd be asking why they are green. Your arguement is that something cannot come from nothing, but that applies to your god, but now you're adding a middleman. Where did god come from? If your answer is it always was then I can use the same answer for the universe, it always was, just keeps expanding and contracting over and over again. Not long ago the earth was the center of the universe and lightning was caused by the gods, but as we progressed we learnt the truth. Luckily for religion the question of how the universe started will not be answered for a very long time so they'll have a straw to grasp onto for quite some time yet.
There is not much that arguments will solve. This is a matter of belief, of faith. However, with all of the science and theories, there will always be that one question nobody can successfully answer, and that is where the first molecule no matter how small came from.
I cannot find it right now, but there is a part in the Bible speaking about this. It is talking about that we should let the dead be dead and not try to contact them and that the ghosts some people see and the "spirits of the dead" some people are speaking to are in reality demons pretending to be the spirits of the dead.
I will tell you this; I have an awesome life, I have a great job where I earned my trust and respect because I live my life with integrity, I have enough money, a great house, an atractive wife, awesome kids. We travel, I fly, our life is great. I believe one thing, the energy you put out into the world is the energy you attract, be it good or bad. If there is a god then I am making the most of the life I was given and I will never make any sacrifice, I am honest, I live with integrity, I cherish my life, and if for this I go to hell then so be it for that is a god I wish to never know and if there isn't then I will die knowing I made the most of the time I had on Earth.
When people such as you start calling others name that is when you know that have no leg to stand on and no respect for anyone but your narrow minded beliefs. You claim to be able to prove everything yet you havent been able to prove what you even believe in. Its a shame because i have many atheist friends and non of them have this many hidden intentions when they talk about what they believe in, as evidenced by the links you routinely provide by your screen name. Some people are a credit to their beliefs , some are not. Have a nice day back to my leaf experiment again
If you are basing your beliefs on your leaf experiment then quite frankly, you're an idiot. Think about what you are proposing and if that is the basis on the theory that god exists you have been brain washed beyond help.
More lies from you pong? Typical "Christian".. If reality doesn't sit well with you just pull some random lies our of your ass. When have a ever claimed to "be able to prove everything"? If you insist on banging on about your invisibly sky daddy at least have the integrity to practice what he supposedly peached. Lying is against the rules isn't it? Or are there no rules, no integrity and very little self respect when it comes to protecting your ancient myth? Look at what you have become pong. A liar who lies to protect a lie.