Do you want to know what the true islam is ?

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  1. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #141
    Now here, I am going to say: "IMO, a truth should be complete as well as unchanging."

    So, ... if a religion is ignorant, is it really true? Makes you wonder...
     
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    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #142
    No, I dont know the answer to exactly why it is 4 however i am sure that there is answer but of course i am not a mullah so i cannot answer all of your questions but i can answer general questions you might have ;)
     
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    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #143
    I had to google for this ;)
    Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than one spouse.

    Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marries more than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marries more than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny (up till four wives) is permitted; whereas polyandry is completely prohibited.

    Qur’an is the only religion on the face of the earth that allows men having up till four wives, Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:

    "Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." Al-Qur’an (4:3)

    Before the Qur’an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had many wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them.

    So, Islam came to control having an infinite number of wives, like it was during the Pre-Islamic era.

    In the same chapter Allah says in Surah Nisa verse 129, Allah says:

    "You will never be able to be fair and just among women (wives)...." Qur’an (4:129)

    Hence, Islam does allow having more than one wife, yet it has set conditions for that, which is that the husband should be fair with all his wives, and treat them equally, which is very difficult.

    Multiple marriages lay a heavy responsibility on men, which is why Allah allowed having more than one wife only if the husband treats his wives equally. If a man has more than one wife, he must treat them all in an equal manner, emotionally and financially. For example, he has to provide separate living accommodation for each of his wives.

    Since it is very difficult to be just with all wives, in practice, most of the Muslim men do not have more than one wife.

    Therefore polygyny is not a rule or an order but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to have more than one wife.

    The reason for multiple wives in Islam was not to satisfy men’s desire and that's it, but for the welfare of the widows and the orphans of the wars. During war times, many women are unable to find husbands, and they might prefer to be a co-wife than no wife.

    Also allowing multiple marriages is useful in case a man's wife is sterilized and can't give him the chance of being a father; here he has the right to marry another wife, and leaving the choice to her whether she wants to continue being his wife if he marries another woman or not

    However men are prohibited from cheating on their wives, meaning a man can't marry another woman without the knowledge of his wife. He should tell her, for she might refuse such situation, and in this case it's totally her right if she asked for divorce.

    In the pre-Islamic period, men used to have many wives.

    One person had 11 wives and when he converted to Islam, he asked Prophet Mohammad (pbuh): "What should I do with my wives?"

    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) replied:

    "Divorce the all except four."

    When non-Muslims hear about Prophet Mohammad’s multiple wives, they might conclude without much thought that he was a sensuous man. But the truth is that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was married to only one woman, Khadijah. He remained devoted to her from age 24 to 50. Only after her death, did the Prophet marry other women. The reason behind the Prophet (PBUH) marrying more than one wife was to spread Islam, and help the Islamic message to reach out to the world.

    It is obvious that if he was after physical pleasure, he didn’t have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying other wives. His later marriages were for various reasons, some marriages were with the view to help widows whose husbands had been killed for the sake of Islam, others were to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr Al-Sadeeq, may Allah be pleased with him. Some of his marriages were to build strong relations with various tribes that were at war with Muslims. In brief, Prophet Mohammad’s marriages always had Islamic motives.

    Some of the non-Muslims misunderstand polygyny and claim that it is one of the negative aspects of Islam, but in fact Islam sought to control and regulate the number of wives rather than give free license. And the permission given to men to have more than one wife is controlled with the conditions Allah has set before marrying another wife.
     
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    #144
    You have yet to answer my question, jaree...
     
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    #145
    Truth is complete and unchanging ??? I agree with that 100% and sorry i did not get what is your questions can you please rephrase it for me please thanks :)
     
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    #146
    If a religion is ignorant - doesn't know something - is it really true?

    Makes you wonder...

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    There - is that better?

    Also, "truth is complete" - means that every piece of the faith is there, nothing missing, no "I don't knows" and stuff...
     
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    #147
    Man you are not getting what i mean... Thats what i dont know that dosent mean answer is not in islam but i answered that as well by googling and gave you article on why 4 wives if thats what you are refering to. If i ask you why is jesus name jesus do you have answer No that doesnt mean that christianity is not true just because of this ;) Get it :D
     
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    #148
    No, I don't get it. You are avoiding my question.

    My question is this: If a religion is ignorant (doesn't know something) - is it really true?

    As you have agreed the truth is complete and unchanging.
     
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    #149
    No i am not avoiding any question? Yes to the answer of your questions but i have no idea what are you refering to...
    Now answer my questions why is jesus name jesus why not something else? :D Can you answer my questions and if not does that mean that christianity is ignorant and not true? You need to use your brain seriously ;)
     
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    #150
    "why is jesus name jesus why not something else?"

    Because it isn't.

    There.

    Now, the "answers" you have been supplying aren't sufficient, they don't make sense, and they aren't directly answering it!

    I do not know how to make this any easier. Are you 12 years old or an adult?

    Yet, look who's talkin'
    Right back at you.

    No, it just means your questions are stupid.

    Now look here, I'll ask this until you answer it directly: Is a religion 100% true if it does not know the complete truth?

    Maybe you will understand it as a child would ask it: If somebody asked a religious question (Why we came here, where we are going, why evil exists, etc, etc) to a preacher/priest/rabbi, or other religious leader, and the leader said "I don't know" or "That's a secret", is the religion REALLY true?
     
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    #151
    To answer your questions simply i am not a preist,mullah or anybody like that i am just ordinary person who knows about islam as much others do so i am saying that i dont know the answer that doesnt mean that islam dont have answer. Even then i gave you the answer so i take back my words of i dont know... I have power of google :D
    Yes if a religion cannot answer the questions and is not complete then it is not true but you are not talking to religion you are talking to Jaree who is not islam itself and cannot help you as much as mullah or islamic teacher will do. My knowledge to islam is limited that doesnt mean islam is limited. Get it and if you still dont get it then i guess you need to use your brain as i said before
     
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    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #152
    Answer to your questions can be I AM NOT A LEADER TEACHER,MULLAH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ALL I CAN SAY IS I WILL ASK LEADER OR TEACHER ABOUT IT AND THEN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION GET IT :D
     
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    #153
    What are your Pillars of Faith? Doesn't one of them include getting rid of those who do not believe in Islam?
     
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    jaree Well-Known Member

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    #154
    No thats not true five pillars of islam are Kalma(Saying that god is one and muhammad is his messenger) Prayer, Fasting,pilgrimmage, and alms giving
     
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    #155
    ARMS giving? Was that a freudian slip?
     
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    #156
    LMAO, I think he meant giving thousands of schrapnel :confused:
     
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    #157
    Sorry misspelled alms giving... Giving food and other stuff to poors who cannot afford that.
     
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    #158
    Maybe thats the whole problem with islam, one big ass typo.
     
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    #159
    Thats problem with me not with islam and i am sorry for that :(
     
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    #160
    Jaree, I wasn't asking you a question of Islamic policy or doctrine; you're just avoiding it or too stupid to answer it, it's got to be one.
     
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