GMROCKS - You see this is what I have been trying to tell them for a few years now. They are good at throwing rocks in glass houses. I have been saying that atheists believe in magic. I have dared every atheist here to answer that one fundamental question, buit when you ask them they either go silent or they switch the subject. Its impossible for them to answer it because if they do that will force them to acknowledge even a slight possibility that god exists. Again we pose this question for the atheists here: How could anything just come into existence? Where did it all come from. Forget the big bang, forget about even before the big bang. Where did the mass and energy needed to start all of these chain reactions come from, and how did it come into existence? Maybe some magic spell? Lets see one atheist here answer this question without switching the subject allready? Or are we going to play musical chairs for 3 years again?
I've never said that I believed the Qur'an, far from it. But at least I looked. The link you sent me just showed me that our life span has been increasing because of technological advances and situations, not evolution. Which proves nothing. I suggest you read "A Case For Faith" and "A Case For Christ", if you would like some evidence. There were no chickens in Precambrian times silly! The point of which the earth was perfect could not have been more than 20k years ago. My name is Gabe, and I approve of this message.
oh so you are altering your claims based on how much of it is proven wrong at any given time? it's a start i guess. So let's start looking at around 10000 years ago in the neolithic, or what you probably know as the stone age, and have a look at their standards of living. These lucky bastards had a life expectancy of 20. They lived in settlements which were regularly invaded by neighbours, they had only just started to farm and cultivate which means food was in short supply, they regularly starved to death in huge numbers if they had a particularly rainy summer. They had an infant mortality rate of 25% and only 1 in 10 pregnancies resulted in a live birth. So, how was this better again? And more to the point, where is your evidence that people live to be 500? It would be nice if you could start actually addressing what i write instead of trying to peddle these crappy little books which set out specifically to find evidence for the conclusion they have already come to. thanks. It seems your argument has gone from "it used to be a lot better" to "well of course it;s better now than it was, we have technology", which is kind of the exact opposite of what you first claimed.
PROTIP: Digressive Evolution, or the idea of Devolution is complete bunk, as when any organism changes it is still evolving. That means if a certain creature no longer needs an adaptation, and it actually hinders them due to environmental changes, it will lose that adaptation over time and become a less-complex creature. Complexity being evolution's goal is a total bunk and retarded, yes - I said it, retarded idea invented by those who want to push "intelligent (retarded again) design". If you had a species of elephant that needed a large chunk of skull to knock down trees, but then the trees all died and it became a hindrance, well then, they would become simpler elephants and those that had smaller chunks would reproduce more, furthering the decline of hard headed elephants. If humans no longer needed to use their brains, and in fact found smart people unattractive, they would marry those dumber than them and... ho ho ho, dysgenics at work. It might not be natural (and certainly is not intelligent) but that kind of selection is just as valid. Stupid people want to feel smarter in a relationship, so they marry someone dumber than themselves... sound familiar yet? Bear with me if this hurts to read: their children inherit the stupid gene from one, and the double stupid gene from the other, giving them a chance of being just stupid, or incredibly stupid. These morons go on to produce more morons, and eventually you will have double stupids marrying triple stupids, until finally the human brain shrinks like the Koala Bear's. Look it up - "Koala Bear Brain". That means, if your God wanted things to be complex, the poor Koala would have had a diet higher in energy. But no, stupid wins out in that one too. This is tracked adaptation through recent fossils, the koala brain is shrinking as an adaptation. The human brain might as well be shrinking too for all I give a hoot. The smarter you are, the less likely you will procreate and have 11 children... because you are smarter.
Both of those are completely true. I used this to point out digressive evolution which has nothing to do with the environment that killed them. What you used to explain the "neolithic" situation is still true in some parts of today's world. Before the fall of mankind, the earth was perfect. It slowly digressed until the time of the "Great flood". After the "Great flood" life expectancy fell sharply for some reason. It's in the Bible, but I suppose you've never read that, or if you did, it was shoved down your throat. It happens to be one of the oldest and most relevant historical documents found. Everything we see in our environment is digressing, not progressing. Even an idiot can figure that out. You sir, are considered an ignoramus and a hypocrite. You do not consider different options. You decide to believe blindly. You are much worse than those you accuse. The funny thing about those books is that the author was an atheist at the beginning of writing one of and a theist at the end. I thought that you being a supposed intellectual person would enjoy reading them. I was wrong. Question: I thought the idea and purpose of evolution is how we and everything else came to be from a simple organism?
Digressive Evolution, Devolution, is a bunk theory. Once again this is more Intelligent Design bullshit mixed with a lack of understanding in the realm of evolutionary and biological sciences. When the environment changes some things will adapt, others will die. The biodiversity on the planet today is larger than it has ever been - ever. Or did you skip that part in your pseudoscience classes? There has never been as many species alive as there are today, from dinosaurs (they're called birds) to synapsids (PROTIP: I am a synapsid, and so was my dog), to amphibians (Pre-dates reptiles and synapsids), invertebrates, bacteria, and disease. The only thing killing it all is our pollution and changing the environment, which some people refuse to accept since it would actually put the blame on them. Hard to ignore when you burn down a rainforest to plant crops though. It was never better. Mankind has been dragging himself up out of the filth of disease, war, pestilence, and lack of sanitation since the stone age. Even the ancient Egyptians realized that sanitation was just as important as anything else. We went from eating food with shit on it, to cooking it but eating it with shit on our hands, to rudimentary forms of hand sanitation and better storage practices, to the dark ages of religion in Europe when we began dumping our shit in the streets and getting the plauge again, to once again better sanitation. We are filthy, disgusting, germ ridden creatures who spread disease willingly most of the time. It took our president asking us to wash our hands to increase sanitation this year alone. I hope he reminds us to wipe our asses and bathe daily as well, because I certainly hate smelling shit at the bus stop or rotting onions at the DMV. Maybe that could be his great contribution to what is left of this Moronocracy, reminding us to wash our hands, brush our teeth, bathe, wipe our own asses, wear deodorant, and read a book.
You don't exist. You are a Turing machine that is programmed to imitate a bigot. So, when I turn off my television, my TV stops functioning, the screen stops working, and all the TV stations cease to transmit. They are simply turned off like a light bulb!!!
Yeah, the problem with that analogy is that a TV lacks a heart or brain, and is run by the blood of electricity.
A TV has a microprocessor for a brain, and AC power for it's heart! You are right - the analogy works, thanks!!!
You must have missed the short bus. You have a TV that does not need to be on all the time, and can be turned back on. A human mind cannot lose its blood supply longer than 3 minutes without damage, or 10 minutes without major damage/death. A TV can be without power until its internal components rot in a hundred years - a human brain cannot be without blood but for a few minutes. Your analogy does not work. Go turn your blood supply off to your brain and see what happens.
Guys, it does not take a genius to release that this discussion is pointless... It is going nowhere... OF COURSE, GOD DOES EXIST!!! Let's continue.
A person does not need to be awake all the time, and can wake up.... etc etc. Your desperate and futile attempt to break my analogy simply proves that my analogy works, doesn't it? Besides, the point flew completely over your head and into the next county. The argument here is that when a person dies, a person is turned off like a light bulb - right? If you bother to re-read my original post, is it plain to you that a person was compared to a light bulb? And then I compared a person to a television? Isn't the Atheist argument here that people are no different from appliances, hmmm??? I'm wondering why you didn't disagree with the lightbulb analogy. You think it's more accurate to compare a person to a light bulb? And when a TV stops working - what do you say? "The TV is dead"! Next time, get yourself a front seat on the short bus, bucko. I've got no tolerance for ugly religious bigots like you. Clearly, the blood flow to your brain is sadly cut off.
My, my, my.... don't YOU have such a VERY LOW opinion of yourself. Is the above statement what you tell yourself in a mirror every day? Out of curiosity - has anyone ever really Loved you?
I'm sorry, you're trying to hold up a straw house with bubble gum. It is obvious discussion with you results in your futile attempts to compare biology with technology. You did indeed miss the short bus. Now scurry along, I'm sure they have some fresh cookies and milk for you.
You could start. I love the analogies people use in these threads... "I'm sorry, you're trying to hold up a straw house with bubble gum." Hehe..
Certainly, a discussion about God would be a bit beyond your shallow depth of knowledge? Especially for a religious bigot such as yourself. Especially when the depth of your knowledge is limited to - what? straw and bubble gum? Since you were the first to abandon anything related to this discussion about God - I graciously accept your concession.
I conceded nothing but your inability to understand basic technology and basic biology. Your brain doesn't turn off - not even when you sleep.
That pretty much ends the debate doesn't it.. Saying that god exists in all-caps. Caps Lock > Evidence