Should abortion be allowed to women?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by cpvr, Mar 26, 2006.

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Should abortion be allowed?

  1. yes

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  2. no

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    34.2%
  1. latehorn

    latehorn Guest

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    #721
    Never thought we westerners should go out and decide rules for the whole world like Brittain basically did 200-400 years ago. Well I'm in :)

    Do you really think the world population increase because of lacking abortion rules? Or is it mayby because that their religion forbids the use of condoms?

    I support a long term decrease in the growth rate for the world population, but that doesn't mean we in west should decrease and become less fertile. No. The birthrate should stabilize between all countries, religions and cultures. We shouldn't have a society were one race/religion/country outgrow the others. No, we should make sure to avoid these horrible developments. My thought is that if one race/religion/country decides to outgrow the country, all we can do is to follow. We shouldn't pinch ourselves down to the ground and leave space for the fertile extremists.

    Having that said.. I don't want to live in a society were the median age increase, increase and increase. No, we need fresh brains that will put our society in the right path, we need to combine our outdated brains experiencis with the new minds hunger for intelligence. We can't run a society were more than 50% are retired, now that's nutworks.
     
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  2. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    #722
    Can you point me to the post that I said that or are you trying to deflect the debate away from your ill thought out arguements again?

    No, at the moment abortion and contraception are helping to contain the population. Banning abortion (and contraception as some nutjobs are saying) will result in another huge increase in world population.

    Yes great you say, we can support the ageing population. But if you can stretch yourself to think into the future, we'll have to have an ever increasing birthrate that simply isn't sustainable. The answer to the current population crisis is to raise the retirement age and scrap public pensions and healthcare. It's in such a mess in this country anyway I'd welcome a reduction in taxes and pay for private pension schemes and health insurance.

    And where did anyone say that, or are you making things up again?
     
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  3. latehorn

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    #723
    You are trying to come with a world-wide suggestion. That will never work these days.

    The 3rd world population increase not because abortions aren't allowed. They increase mainly because of their culture and economic standard. If their culture forbidds use of condoms, promotes a big family with 20 kids. No inhuman abortion law can stop it.
    Finally we can agree about something. Yes, the retirement age should be raised with another 10 years. That's going to help a little. However, companies like Sony&Ericsson in Sweden decided to replace people over the age of 35 years with younger people. They gave all people over 35 years an "oppurtunity" to some benefits if they quited. So many people decided to quit despite that they loved their work. They want a younger and fresher workforce.

    Their actions might seem to be unjust, but what was the general middle age 1000 years ago? 35-40 years. People can live longer today thanks for the support of the community. I think it's great that the community can help them with that, but it doesn't mean that we don't need a large young workforce.

    Worst example is Japan with fertillity rate as low as 1.25. We don't see the effects today, but 20 years ahead, Japan could be a forgotten country, where buildings have to be demolished and were the economy doesn't experience any significant growth in good times. Oh.. I forgot, that is already happening.

    The reason why it doesn't happen in Europe is because of foreigners and muslims that don't have anything against a family with 5 or even up to 10 kids. The only problem with that is that they form getthos, don't assimilate but rather planning for replacing our cultural identity, our genes(I'm not hitler, just stating facts), our everything with their own backward ideas for an extremist society.

    But that's just what you want to happen? Isn't it?
    I never stated that you stated it. I was speaking for my own opinion.
     
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  4. MattUK

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    LOL! and what do you mean by that? Are you saying that a global consensus isn't the way to go?

    Christ, do I have to spell this out?
    1. Yes the the 3rd world population is increasing
    2. As is the population of the world as a whole
    3. Banning abortions (and contraception) will contribute to an increase in this rate

    Do you understand now or shall I do some diagrams?

    By the same note many companies like to hire older more experienced staff. Several companies in the UK actively employ the over 55's. Raising the retirement age will increase the number of companies subscibing to this as the staff will work with them for longer.

    LOL, so you're a racist as well! I do love a generalisation! I bet you don't want any 'darkies' in your neighbourhood do you ;)

    Immigration is the answer if used correctly. Modern America has been built on it. The EU has some rediculous laws in terms of immigartion and open border agreements. It should be limited to skilled workers who speak the language and will benefit the workforce. The success of the UK economy is based on the immigrant labour over the past 20-30 years from the ex-Commonwealth. A huge proportion of doctors, lawyers, accountants and businessmen are immigrants to the UK frokm places like India, the West Indies and Africa.

    Just because it's not being managed correctly at the moment doesn't mean it's not the solution.
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #725
    hahahahahahaha :D
     
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    #726
    Looks like the Morning After (Abortion) Pill might be sold over-the-counter without a doctor's visit now. I'm 100% for this :)

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/31/D8J71JO01.html

     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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  8. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

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    #728
    Have women conveniently forgotten about Planned Parenthood? They give you everything there, including Plan B. You don't even have to go to your actual doctor.

    Regardless, the government should allow the morning after pill to be sold over the counter. It's about frickin' time, sheesh.
     
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    #729
    Don't they have to make an appointment and consult with someone at planned parenthood to get it though? Is it expensive there?
     
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  10. DeniseJ

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    #730
    Mmm, it's free. I believe some women may have to pay, but I don't and never have. All you have to do is go into a clinic, fill out a bunch of boring paperwork regarding your medical history, then talk to a woman about what sort of birth control you'd like (the shot, pill, etc. etc. etc.)

    Then when you have your yearly exam, they give you a bag full of a year's worth of birth control (if you have the pill, I'm not sure what they do for anything else,) condoms, and they ask if you'd like Plan B as well.
     
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    #731
    Yep, certainly does. I'm 100% in favour.
     
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  12. Keith Taylor

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    #732
    I took the pill for a year. Someone told me they were tic tacs. Didn't notice until I started to develop breasts.

    *P.S. Kidding, for those who are wondering. I'm all man.
     
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    #733
    Haha... the pill doesn't even LOOK like tic tacs ;)
     
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    #734
    Abortion is not good. Thats all I can say right now :( Its a little being who is breathing inside you and also wants to see the world. I am going through a very hard time right now and really know how cruel abortion can be. :(
     
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    #735
    Denise, are you concerned that the morning after pill is the possible cause in several deaths in CA and other states? Doesn't that make it wise not to put it out OTC until this has been cleared up?
     
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    #736
    Yeah, but you're forgetting that I'm not very intelligent. A hobo once tricked me into handing over my pants. And he didn't even have to try that hard.
     
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    Which begs the question; why were you down at the train yard offering your pants to hobos :p
     
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    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #738
    There have been "several deaths" from many over the counter drugs too. Death during childbirth is also a risk.

    Don't be so sure about that:

    http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1110/harriton_ctv.html
     
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  19. DeniseJ

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    #739
    I must echo Summer's sentiment about various over the counter drugs. Any drug holds risks. Sure, I'd like the facts to be cleared up beforehand but I believe having access to Plan B and other similar products is essential in today's world.
     
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    I live in the North of England. Apart from football hooliganism and dressing up like members of Oasis there isn't much to do of a weekend.
     
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