Christian Values, Christian Treasure, lofty and noble living.

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    In Luke, The Sermon on the Plain

    M.5:11-12 When persecutions come simply because you have done what is right in God's sight, rejoice and be extremely happy, for you have a great reward in heaven.

    L.6:22-23 One of the happiest moments of a man's life should be when he is hated and abused for Christ's sake.

    L.6:24-26 One of the most tragic things that can happen to a man is to have plenty of earthly possessions and be well-liked by all men.

    M.5:16 Live such a godly life that people, seeing you do good deeds, will have respect for your Father which is in heaven.

    M.5:23-24 Do not come to worship God until you have settled any legitimate grievances against you.

    M.5:25-26 Make every effort to be reconciled with those whom you may have wronged, lest they bring their complaint to God. There is no escaping His justice. If you do not make right the wrong you have done to another while you can, God will cause you to reap the very last ounce of grief that your evil deed deserves.

    L.12:58-59

    M.5:34-37 Do not make promises, for you may not live to keep them. Simply state your intentions.

    M.5:38-39 Never do violent harm to anyone, even in self-defense. To please God, you must be willing to be mistreated.

    L.6:29a If someone strikes you, do not resist him. Let him do it again.

    L.6:29b-30 If someone unjustly takes your goods away, let him take the rest, not even asking to have them back. Never turn down a request for what you have, regardless of who asks for it.

    M.5:40 And if someone sues you for your coat, give him also your shirt.

    M.5:41 If you are forced to do a favor, do two favors instead.

    M.5:42 Lend to those who want to borrow from you, and give to those who ask for your aid.

    M.5:43-48 Be, like your perfect heavenly Father, without fault. Love even your enemies, and do good to everyone, including those who despise you and try to harm you.

    L.6:27-28 Always do good to others, even if they do evil toward you.

    32-33, 36 Be like this, for your heavenly Father is like this.

    M.6:1-18 Do not make a show of your religion, or it will be in vain. There will be no eternal blessing for deeds done to be seen by men. This means, do not make a show of your charity, or your praying, or your fasting. Do these kinds of things in secret, not looking for men either to know about them or to reward you for them, but trusting the Father to know and to reward.

    M.6:19-24 Do not hoard up money on earth, but labor to have a heavenly treasure. If you are pursuing money, you are not serving God.

    L.6:38 Give to others, and God will see to it that others give to you.

    L.6:34-35 And do not be like the unbelievers, who charge interest on their loans, but be like your Father, who freely gives to all.

    M.6:25-34 Take time to consider God's care for animals and plants, that you might learn not to be anxious about your essential needs each day. Let your first concern be your need for the righteousness of God, and trust God for the rest. Do not waste a single thought today on the needs of tomorrow. After all, what can you change by thinking about it? L.12:22-31

    M.7:1-2 Do not make any judgments, lest you be turned over to the power of the judgments of others. Do not condemn others and you will not be condemned. And if you want forgiveness, you yourself must be forgiving. L.6:37

    M.7:3-5 Do not try to correct others until your own blinding faults are gone. Make your own heart right, and then you may be able to render spiritual guidance to others. L.6:42

    M.7:6 If you try to minister the things of the Spirit on your own, you will bring the holy things of God into contempt, unnecessarily making enemies in the process. As Uncle Joe says it, "If you get to people before God does, you're wasting your time."

    M.7:7-11 Ask, seek, and knock for the things of God, and they will be given to you.

    M.7:12 Treat others the way you would like to be treated. This is what the Law and all the prophets were trying to show you to do. L.6:31

    M.7:13-14 There are just a few people who find the way into eternal life. Therefore, choose the narrow way.

    M.7:15 Beware of Christian ministers, those who merely think they are God's servants.



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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #2
    Very nice sayings especially the last one:). Also about judging others and correcting others.
     
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    The font is like Christianhosting.com TOS page (just noticed such a site exists)
     
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    Here is something really nice and really hard to follow:
    M.5:38-39 Never do violent harm to anyone, even in self-defense. To please God, you must be willing to be mistreated.


    It takes a lot of strong will, mind, heart and spirit to be a true follower of Jesus.
     
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    #5
    i have nothing but respect for you on this one,reps added!!!
    its great too see someone interested in civilised religion these days
    tbh im jewish but i was born in a christian nation and i follow all christian traditions-g-d bless you mate!!


     
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    #6
    umm, yeah. I was just reading your post and was judging it, and thought I would correct you. :):p

    Are you referring to this?:
    "M.7:1-2 Do not make any judgments, lest you be turned over to the power of the judgments of others. Do not condemn others and you will not be condemned. And if you want forgiveness, you yourself must be forgiving. L.6:37"

    I really like many quotes in this thread, but out of all of them, that is my least favorite. I may be interpreting this incorrectly but it sounds like moral relativism to me. Sort of like everything is in the gray area, what's really right or wrong, who's to judge kind of thinking. I believe making judgments is how we get through life, trying to choose between right or wrong, right?

    Is it really a good idea not to judge?
     
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    yes it is. this is my favorite of them all, and interesting enough for the same reasons you stated.
     
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    #8
    Here's a scenario: What if your neighbor told you that he likes to go out for a drive in his car every tuesday afternoon and shoot at random pedestrians for fun. Is it wrong to you to judge him, intervene or report him, because who's really to say what's right or wrong?
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    report him to save the life of others yes. report him to get punished, eh, not my place to judge. judge him, not your place.
    but even if it only relates to the religious matters, it would reduce the violence in the world by a large margin.
    also funny how the op does all the judging in the other thread. forgetting what he preaches here.
     
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    What did you do after your neighbor told you his story, and before you reported him to the police? Hint: It starts with a "J"
     
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    felt bad for the victims. no judging on him.
     
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    #12
    Really?? Not trying to give you a hard time Pizzaman, but...:)

    You wouldn't want to make any judgments about a person that likes to go out and shoot people for fun? You wouldn't be a little nervous about hanging out with him? Wonder if he's mentally stable, or why he likes hurting people? Do you believe our actions are fairly consistent with our thoughts, and who we are? If it's wrong for you to judge your neighbor, would it be right or wrong for a judge in a courtroom to judge him? Is it ok for some people to judge, but others not? Ultimately, if no one can actually judge him, should we just set him free to shoot people?
     
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    a judge in the courtroom represents the entire society. he is burdened by this awesome responsibility. he is also trained and is knowledgeable about all the laws of the land. and still i do not support death penalty as it is not reversible. i also do not want to be a judge . i am not saying that my neighbor should not be judged at all. just not by me and my other neighbors. i hope you get the drift. following the law is not only for your neighbor, it is also for you and the judges in the courtroom are responsible for that. that is the law.
    and if you believe in any of the abrhomic religions the laws pertaining to gods rules should be judged only by him. the judgment day is for that. and he reserved the right to be the judge. i do not think this is subject to disagreement.
    the same is also true with any sets of law. they also assign a group to be the judges.
    otherwise we will have a vigilante society. whose morality do we accept? whose judgment do follow? who decides?
    of course a person can ask you to judge him and then it would be ok. although i have not thaught about this possibility carefully and reserve the right to change my mind.
     
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    Truth, could this phrase "M.7:1-2 Do not make any judgments, lest you be turned over to the power of the judgments of others. Do not condemn others and you will not be condemned. And if you want forgiveness, you yourself must be forgiving. L.6:37" actually mean do not make any judgements, unless you are willing to be judged by the same standards? How or why should people refrain from judging what is bad or good?
     
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    so we choose different paths again.there is good and bad in everything
     
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    That's messed, if that's what your god asks, screw him/it/her....never mind, your belief mistreats you enough.
     
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    You have to look for the spirit in the scriptures not to take everything by the letter.
    Taking things by the letter may turn you into a fanatic which is not wise.

    Ordinary people like us will have to probably report this guy ... highly advanced spiritual people who can see the future may find another way to prevent innocent from getting hurt...
     
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    This rule is man-made and all wrong...

    "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39 NIV

    This is not ruling out self defense, such as blocking a punch. This is telling you not to retaliate. It does not say here that you can not try to stop him from striking you. It says not to be vengeful, and to not hurt anyone because of revenge.
     
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    Yeah,
    the rule is to stop retaliation. If there is no rule to stop retaliation the fight will go for quite a bit of time which is foolish anyway.
     
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    Bravo Truth, its all about spirit, heart and moderation. Look at Jesus heal the sick on the sabbath day even when the pharasees got ticked off from it because the sabbath day is a day of rest. They forgot the meaning of the sabbath completely, Or the saying about the good Samaritan who helped the injured person on the road.
     
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