Time to wake up to reality Christians!

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  1. H3llas

    H3llas Well-Known Member

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    #41
    TRUTH can not be weapon in the hand of religion. But maybe if you say it thousand times lie will become true.
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #42
    Because many of us have been there before; angry at God. That'll change.

    There's a difference. One is a legitimate piece of literature that predates religion. The other is a guide to death and destruction that was created by a religion.
     
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  3. Danielregwan

    Danielregwan Well-Known Member

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    #43
    Religious people, who do you think you are pretending to know what God wants? such arrogance simply annoying, choose your words more carefully It's a thin line between faith and speaking by the name of God.
     
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  4. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #44
    That's probably the dumbest shit I've ever heard, not surprised I'd hear it from you. First of all, your little theory only makes sense to you, that the inferior ALWAYS references the superior, nowhere is that a proven theory, you're just making nonsense up in hopes to confuse me so that I don't brutally destroy your childish beliefs. In fact, the opposite is usually true, the superior references the inferior, when speaking of history or innovations/inventions for instance..

    Second, if this was true, any religion referencing another religion obviously wouldn't be anything other than the religion they're referencing.

    THIRD, no rebuttal to Buddhism or Hinduism as northpoint gave as another example.

    Maybe I'll be saved lol. Saved from my own sanity.

    I forgot about your hate for Muslims :p. Probably shouldn't have used them!
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #45
    Its not about being saved. Its more about making peace.

    You've obviously mistaken me for someone else. I hate fat chicks in spandex and Mountain Dew... Outside of that, I can't think of much else to despise.
     
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  6. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #46
    You know that a circle and a sphere are two entirely different things, right?
     
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  7. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #47
    Peace? Yeah that's a great thing, I'm all about what Jesus taught, but like I said at the start of this thread, Christianity is the biggest religion because it's based on fear.

    The majority of Christians don't care about anything their messiah taught, just that their selfish asses will be saved.
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #48

    I think you are confusing some individual "quasi-Christian" religions with this "fear". Not all Christianity is based on fear...
     
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  9. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Peon

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    #49
    I can understand how you can be as confused as you've shown yourself to be. Your problem seems to stem from your inability to know the difference between THE WORD of GOD ("The Bible"), which is what I was referring to, and "religion(s)", which is what you're referring to. Let me see if I can clear up the difference for you; "religion" is about do/doing; THE WORD of GOD ("The Bible") is about Be/Being (i.e. "The Beattitudes" are not the 'do-attitudes').

    With the only exception of "pure religion", talked about at James 1:27, GOD/JESUS CHRIST could give less than a tinker's damn about any "religion". . .even "Christianity" as it is called by those of your ilk, and practiced (attempting to 'do') by those of mine.

    Ergo, I'm not the least be concerned about you (or anyone else) who threatens to "brutally destroy" my, so-called by you, "childish beliefs"; I'm still stating the same TRUTH that I was stating 2 suspensions ago; and if, in your perception, it causes your olfactory organ to manifest itself inside your auditory organ, then I surely understand your confusion.

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  10. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #50
    Ohhh, the Bible is about "being"? I guess that means you don't have to do ANYthing and everyone is automatically "saved". Are we on the same track here, accepting Jesus as your savior is what it means to be Christian? If so, you do most definitely have to DO something to be saved, you have to accept. That is doing something.

    Now if you want to talk about simply "being" then maybe Buddhism is more up your alley?

    Sounding smart and "being" smart are two very different things ;).
     
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  11. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Peon

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    #51
    Come now, I know you're much smarter than the mentality you exhibit above. Of course you have to accept; but that in no way negates the fact that becoming and being GOD'S child (aka 'being saved') is about 'being' and not 'doing'. As long as you're outside THE WORD of GOD, you do, and do, and do, and do...

    Let's start with "accepting Jesus as your savior". Before "accepting Jesus as your savior", you've realized that you are in need of a "savior".
    Why are you in need of a "savior"?
    Because you have sinned (against THE PERFECT and HOLY GOD) and are a sinner; and according to Romans 6:23, "the wages of sin is death (Spiritual, Physical, and Eternal)". And you've realize that you're a sinner and have sinned.
    What did you do/"accept" to become a sinner? And you cannot do enough to get you out of the mess that being a sinner puts you in. And this is what totally and without a doubt, eliminates all "religions".
    But back to the subject at hand, because you are a sinner, you're already Spiritually dead and awaiting Physical Death, and then Eternal Death. What did you have to do/"accept" to be Spiritually dead? And the ONLY WAY out of this mess that you're in is for you to get introduced to SOMEONE:
    1) With absolutely no sin of HIS OWN;
    2) 100% Humanity and 100% Divinity at the same time; and
    3) Ready, willing, and able to do/have done all your dying for you.

    In order to be saved, "you must be born again (John 3:7)". Now that begs the question: Did you "accept" being born the first time (Physically)?

    Ergo, "accepting Jesus as your savior is what it means to be", according to THE WORD of GOD, "born again".
     
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  12. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #52
    Oh reeeeallly?! You have to beCOME God's child? I thought we were all God's children regardless of what we DO?

    I have not realized this actually, jumped the gun bucko.

    Because it is a good marketing tactic to make the consumer think he/she needs your product or service?

    No the Bible says that, which is a collection of opinions from human beings. Not my opinions.

    This is why Christianity is so big, the way it's marketed is frikkin genius. "Basically, without our product.. you go to hell.. for eternity."

    Nice thinking by god by the way, he must have severe low self-esteem, "Why not create a bunch of flawed humans and punish them for their flaws with an eternity of hell. The only way out is through praising me. Ahhh.. at least SOMEone will love me." *strokes cat as he sobs*


    I didn't do anything, but according to you I was created by god that way.

    What are you a Christian sales representative? You should use that as an advertisement.

    Christ-chex maybe. "100% whole grain, 12 vitamins & minerals, absolutely no sin, ready and willing for you to eat him up".
     
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    #53
    lol nehemia, he's destroying your arguments bit by bit.
     
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  14. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Peon

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    #54
    Merely another misconception rampant among ALL you unbelievers, due to a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of GOD'S WORD (Scripture).
    It is written in THE WORD of GOD, "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 18:3)";
    In order to "beCOME. . .God's children", you first have to be "born again" of GOD; That's "born". . .NOT just merely created. You see, "ignorance" is not always "bliss";). . .and don't feel bad for not knowing this, because I too, was once in as worse shape as you're currently in; it was only when I stop "sounding smart", and became smart that this was made known to me. . .along with the fact of how dumb I once had been. . .all the while during my feebly futile attempt at "sounding smart".
    A truly wise (and smart) man is no "fool" who will freely give up that which he cannot keep, in order to obtain that which he can never lose.
    Tell me something, how is it that you, as "smart" as you are, not know and/or understand that a sinner cannot currently be one of THE MOST HOLY and Sinless "God's children"?

    Maybe not in time, but in eternity you're a done deal "bucko".

    So you're sinless right? You haven't committed the slightest iota of even one tiny weeny sin? Because if you have, that's all it takes to render you sinful and hell bound. And remember this, everyone in Hell "freely" chose to go there; and that's not one of many "opinions", but a fact. Imperfect and sinful persons "freely" choose/chose to NOT allow THE PERFECT GOD to render them PERFECT inside JESUS CHRIST.
    Who else, without any sin of their own, do you know that would take all your imperfections/sins upon Himself, die the death meant for you, rid you of all your imperfections/sins against THE SINLESS and PERFECT GOD, and Give you Everlasting life along side and with Himself?
    Sinners are messed up as sinful, originally because of our forefather Adam; but afterward, they (you for example) are messed up as sinful because you "freely" choose to be. Its just like you having cancer, about to become terminal, but you constantly refuse the only cure available. . .because you believe it to be nothing more that one of "a collection of opinions from human beings".

    "Christianity is so big", because it blinds many of its claimants and/or practitioners, if very misunderstood but those of your ilk, and can be claimed by any Tom, Dick, and Harry(ettes) who choose to call themselves "Christians". . .something, btw, JESUS CHRIST never called any of HIS followers.

    According to Scripture, who did the Thief dying next to JESUS CHRIST, on the Cross, 'praise' to cause JESUS to promise him, "To day shalt thou be with me in paradise"???
    Its very sad not to know something, but its even sadder to not know that you don't know. Wouldn't you agree?
    Adam was Created perfect; of all the many Trees (including "The Tree of Life") that he could have "freely" eaten from, he chose the one tree that GOD had forbidden him to eat from. Why was that forbidden tree there in the first place you ask? Easy, so that the "freewill" that GOD gives us, is truly "freewill". And yes, once again, you're originally messed up because Adam messed up. . .but you remain messed up because you like being messed up. Adam, just like you now, "freely" chose death before life.

    I didn't do anything, but according to you I was created by god that way.
    Ahhh, you've never lied? you've never stolen anything? you've never lusted? you've never committed adultery? you've never murdered? you've never violated ("broke") the Sabbath? And if you've never done any of these (and about 606 others) things (and even if you have), then please accept my apology for thinking that you were "created by god that way".

    No. I'm just a person, chosen by THE MOST AWESOMELY ALMIGHTY GOD, who understands eternal damnation ("sin", "death" and "Hell", and then "the lake of fire and brimstone") according to THE WORD of GOD, and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
     
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    #55
    In the kingdom of the blind, the one eye is king.
     
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  16. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #56
    I looked it up and you're right, another reason your religion is f*cking retarded.

    Read my first post in this thread again and then you'll understand why I'm not scared.

    What is sin? It's a concept created by the same dipshits who created the Bible! You're using all these concepts as if even one of them were proven true, but they all come from the same source.

    Really? A fact? Care to prove this fact?

    That makes sense, god gave me a deadly cancer so that he can cure it. I'm either his experiment or he's got a big ego and has nothing better to do with his time.

    Christianity is big for the reason I said it was, the alternative is an eternity of punishment and suffering.

    Oh, so I'm still paying for the "sins" of someone who ate some fruit off of a tree thousands of years ago? Even if the ridiculous story was true, I wasn't alive back then and am not responsible for what someone else did. Just like I'm not responsible for the actions of a rapist. Just like I'm not responsible for my ancestors' use of slaves.

    According to your religion, we are born with sin. As a baby, I did nothing to be spiritually dead.

    If there is a hell I hope your god goes there.

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  17. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Peon

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    #57
    How many time and how many ways do I have to tell you that I'm just as down on your conception of "religion" as you seem to be? Have you not been paying attention, or is it that you just cannot, will not, don't understand that THE WORD of GOD (Scripture/"The Bible") is NOT about "religion" but is about RELATIONSHIP? It seems that your belief that "religion is f*cking retarded" is not the only thing that is, as you put it, "f*cking retarded".

    Why, did you edit it?

    "Lawlessness"; "missing the mark"; "all unrighteousness"; "whatever is not of faith".

    So according to your rationale here, Murder, lying, stealing, adultery, etc., is okay by you and you see absolutely nothing wrong with those things since their source of origin is found in THE WORD of GOD/Scripture/"The Bible", right?

    Oh yes. . .I will. . .right after I state how you're good as asking questions, and severely lacking at answering questions asked to you.
    The very same "source", THE WORD of GOD/Scripture/"The Bible", that introduced human kind to the fact that murder, lying, stealing, etc., is wrong/sin, also states that GOD has THE ONLY WAY to keep you, the sinner, out of Hell; while you believe the former to be so, you "freely" and willingly disregard the latter to be so. Now then, can you explain how determine one to be fact, while you determine the other to not be???

    Care to explain your rationale here, as to how THE ONLY ONE with the cure to you ailment is, and/or could be, THE ONE who "gave" it to you in the first place?

    Instead of "his time", do you really mean 'your time'. . .or HIS 'ETERNITY'? And before your "time" began, and after your "time" runs out, HE must have been awfully desirous for someone to "experiment" with, and will be greatly "ego" crushed, no longer having you around, huh? And this was and will be so, even if there is no Hell, huh?

    I'd ask you to prove it, but you seem to be still struggling with the difference between "religion" and RELATIONSHIP.

    "FREELY" chosen and entered into by the participants. . .as "I said it was", and is.

    Still not paying attention huh? You cannot pay for the sins of others since you have your own sin(s) to pay for. . .or find SOMEONE sinless, ready, willing and able to pay for you.
    BTW, you are NOT responsible for what Adam, "a rapist", nor your "ancestors" did; but you're not responsible for being the offspring of Adam either. But when you "Freely" choose to do what your forefather did, and "Freely" choose to reject THE ONLY CURE for what you've "Freely" chosen to be (and remain as) now, you become more than responsible for you've done and/or didn't do. Yes Adam messed us up; but we remain messed up when we "Freely" choose to remain that way.

    No, actually that's according to THE WORD of GOD/Scripture/"The Bible".

    And "as a baby", had you been murdered/aka "aborted", or just died, you would have gone instantly to Heaven; didn't know that did you? But now as an adult, you "Freely" and continually, do everything necessary to remain "spiritually dead".

    If you didn't want anything to do with HIM in the here and now, why should he reside with you, in Hell, in the hereafter? JESUS CHRIST took your Hell for you. . .if...
    And another btw, Hell was even "prepared" for humans. Didn't know that either did you?
     
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  18. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #58
    Good job putting words in my mouth. The Bible basically gives an elaborate story of WHY people once thought things happen to things we already know DO happen. Just because I reject the BS story that they give doesn't mean I reject reality.

    I'm amazed that a grown man can think like this, you should know better. Just because fairy tales have some facts in them doesn't mean the whole fairy tale is a fact.

    If you were to wear glasses and I said, "You wear glasses. People who wear glasses have bad vision. People have bad vision because they look at porn."

    I hope you're ready to accept the fact that you look at porn because the first part of what I said was true which means I have the credibility to be right about the second part also. :rolleyes:

    By the way, nice job not proving what I asked for you to prove.

    Don't know what you're getting at here, are you admitting that it's a ridiculous notion?


    Aww poor god, oh well he's got 6 billion other souls to play with.


    You're right, it was my opinion. The difference between you and I is I'm willing to admit what is opinion and what is fact.


    That sounds like a fair contract that I'm sure we all signed, "do this or suffer an eternity in hell". And since few enter heaven, come to think of it.. it does make sense we all volunteered for this. :rolleyes:


    If I'm not responsible for Adam & Eve then why am I born a sinner?


    :rolleyes:


    Hmm.. interesting, I would have gone to heaven had I been murdered as a baby. Even though I was born with sin and hadn't accepted Jesus yet. Did you make that up?


    Don't know what the point is here, just sounds like a preview to a science fiction novel.. perhaps?

    Didn't know that did you? :cool:
     
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    #59
    who said you that chiristianity is largest religion on the earth :eek:


    search on GOogle .. Its Islam which is largest and popular religion around the world

    in past 2 years a big amount of christian accept Islam..
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #60
    [​IMG]
    Christianity:2.1 billion
    Islam:1.5 billion

    source: Adherents.com
     
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