Taliban buying childrento use as suicide bombers

I guess I will repeat myself. I don't care if you believe the US and Pakistan or not.

Why would anyone care whether or not you believe it?

 

yes you are repeating yourself, not answering the question, this alone says a lot.

 

Do you understand basic English? You don't need to answer, it is a rhetorical question.

 

so? you can't answer or you do not want to answer?

let us try again in very simple words, are you saying we should believe US blindly in this new story about children trade, despite they lied about the Taliban and the drugs? or are you saying US did not lie about Taliban and drugs trade?

 

There are hundreds of articles posted about this. Believe it or not - that is completely your choice.

I don't care if you do or don't believe the Taliban is buying little Muslim children to use as suicide bombers. Since you don't believe anything the US says, this is a pretty pointless conversation, ehh? You just reflexively take the side opposed to the US. I doesn't seem to bother you what kind of Islamic scumbag terrorist you end up defending, so long as their is a Jew or American on the other side. What a tool.

 

There are thousands of articles that say Saddam was an angel too.

As usual, you are trying to put words in my mouth without actually adding anything useful to the discussion, so many Americans do not trust their Government, I m surprised why you are trying to tell me to trust it? I only trust a clear evidence, not a word from the mouth of a Government who been caught lying so many times, especially when these stories come in a time where this Government is suffering great loses, and soon will be suffering a great defeat there in the fight in Afghanistan, so it would be logical that they try to find excuses, and also try to spread such lies to convince the locals there to stop supporting Taliban whom they want them to rule them, not U.S. or a puppy regime who is good only to lead a gang, or maybe a mafia branch, but not to lead a country.

and at the same time, I do not believe a word from a Taliban leader, because those too are a part in a fight against their enemies and may want to spread propaganda too to get the locals support.

so, I do not believe U.S. I do not believe Taliban, I only believe an evidence, easy to comprehend? isn't it?

 

Where do you get this stuff from ? Don't speak for American's and our trust in our Government. You are not American. You don't live in America, so there is no way that you have any idea how 350 million people feel about their government.

Don't confuse our system of checks and balances, a free news media, and political pundits on CNN and FOX with the patriotism of the average American. No matter our differences politically, every single person in America will lay down a cornucopia of whoop ass against any threat to our country and anyone who bad mouths it.

We all have that in common, Democrat or Republican.
There are people in this forum that I want to kick their ass for being so stupid, but I will stand next to them like a brother to defend this country, and our government.

I may not like every President, but I will step in front of a bullet to save his life and protect the office.

So don't get it confused. We stand together as American's, Proudly, No Matter what..so stop watching TV and looking at threads where people disagree and think you know America. You Don't.

No one is looking for excuses. Hey, if the soldiers in the field are capturing children strapped to bombs, then that's what it is. We don't need to make sh*t up for propaganda, American's want to see the Taliban destroyed...two planes flying into the World Trade Center made sure of that....some stupid story about how desperate they are to use children as suicide bombers will never, NEVER, EVER be more significant than that.

If you really want to know the way I see it, if they use up all of their children in suicide bombs, there will be less of them to fight in later years.

I hope they are not stupid enough to think that we will not shoot a child strapped to a bomb, that's what the North Vietnamese thought too.
We already know the drill...strap a few kids with bombs and send them towards American's, and then scream to the world that "American's are killing unarmed children". That's an old tactic, and everyone is hip to it.

You know what we call people in "the hood" that use such shameful tactics ? "Bitches". Because a man, an honorable man, would never stoop to something so pathetically shameful. First women, and now children. How much shame can one minority group cast on a religion of billions of peace loving people ?

...funny, they are desperate and depleted enough to use kids, and you are still predicting American defeat. Either way, I am pretty sure Allah, has no place in Mecca for any man who preys on poverty stricken families and sends their unsuspecting children to their deaths...so now that they fight in total dishonor, with no chance for martyrdom, what's the point ?

How much longer are they going to continue to destroy the peaceful principles of the quaran, yet still hide behind select passages when it's convenient, while ignoring other passages that are in conflict with their personal agenda?

 

lolz. stopped reading there.

 

where do I get these stuff? I been asked this twice in this thread, may I ask those who ask me this, where have you been?

just 5 hours ago:

More British troops will die in Afghanistan – defence secretary

now it is up to you, if you want to believe BS or not, or if you see in my words BS or not, U.S. and its allies are fighting a lost war in Afghanistan,

Afghani people, fought the Russians for 20 years, at the end the Russians lost, you might be convinced that the time is different now, but mark my words, you will see more and more U.S. and British soldiers die there, to protect drugs trade, and it won't stop except when U.S. and it's allies withdraw from there.

 

Trust me, I am tired of picking off Taliban fighters one at a time. I think we should just carpet bomb all the areas where they are hiding for days, upon days, upon days until the entire area is a parking lot and come home.

 

seriously.. where have you been?

American aircraft launch first carpet-bombing raids on front line

Taliban Carpet-Bombed as Osama Hunt Narrows

B-52S CARPET BOMB TALIBAN HEAVY STRIKES HELP ALLIANCE, BUT CARRY RISK OF ERRANT HITS

 

I'm saying, I'm all for it. If we are going to do it, let's just do it. They have no air force, no navy, and inferior weapons. Lets just keep launching on them until they are all gone.

After all, they want to kill all of us, so what's the hold up ? We don't really have a choice, they will just keep coming if we let them live.

 

Everybody knows that Taliban does not have an air force, or navy, this is what encouraged U.S. to go to war with them, nothing new in your post, except you failed to notice that this tradition of KILL 'EM ALL been used there and it did not work,

if Taliban wanted to do the same and KILL 'EM ALL or destroy life, why would they fight drugs production? it would have been easier to let it continue and LET 'EM DRUG THEMSELVES TO DEATH, since its market is not in Afghanistan, but mainly in U.S. and Europe and some other countries, the following graph shows how their efforts in fighting drugs, saved many lives in Victoria in Australia:

source

from 331 deaths in 2000 to 50 in 2001 in Victoria alone, of course there was no "thank you Taliban" for saving some Australian butts, instead we are supposed to believe that Taliban are drugs traders,

and in the state of Oregon in U.S.:


1997 161
1998 179
1999 195
2000 131
2001 95
2002 101
2003 100
2004 94
2005 86
2006 89

source

drop from 131 deaths in 2000, to 95 in 2001,

in 2007:

these are two examples, you can find statistics for every state and every country in the world...

show me evidence, something that makes sense, and not noise like browntwn, only then I will be glad to agree with you, but looking at these statistics, I feel that U.S. administration, and officials, previous and current, should be arrested.

 

Dude, don't try and make the Taliban out into some Holy Savior. They are killers. They kill innocent people to further their "religious" agenda, which is an oxymoron in itself.

Don't forget, we didn't start this war, they did. They started it many years ago with embassy bombings, ship attacks, and hostage killings..we only started fighting them back directly in the last 12 years, so your statistics of how they controlled the Opium market means nothing to me. Big deal. How many innocent people have the executed over the years ? How many bombings have they committed against innocent people who had no idea it was coming, or were not part of any political agenda ? How many be-headings have they committed against journalist, business people and religious men ?

This is not a group that has anyone's self interest at heart except their own, so you can post up all the graphs that you want...I saw the tapes of innocent people getting their heads chopped off, I watched the planes fly into 2 buildings full of people that were at work supporting their families. I watched the C130's bring back over 200 coffins full of marines who were sleeping, stationed at an embassy. And now they are strapping bombs on children.

These people have no honor. They have no morals. And they are not religious.

I have been watching them commit surprise attacks and killing people who have nothing to do with what ever political ideology they disagree with, for over 20 years.
They kill people on GP. No rhyme or reason. That is why they are called Terrorist. They don't fight the adversary, they just kill who ever they can get to. This has nothing to do with religion, and it has nothing to do with Muslims. It has to do with this group.

If you think they are so righteous...go join them.

 

Don't get so emotional over propaganda and your Government lies at you, I m not showing you these graphs to tell you Taliban are saviors, try once to think out this tiny American mentality, and the pathetic desperate need to appear like world's savior when they actually killed much more innocent than anybody else in the world, and caused much more destruction than anybody else.

I showed you these to teach you how to not be the fool you are, by studying, researching, comparing numbers, before and after, to get to the truth, but again, if you want to stay a fool, you will stay a fool, others who can use their minds and not lend it, can see in this data, much more than what you suggested.

you are mixing between Taliban and Al-Qaeda, Taliban were not involved in the 9/11 demolishing job.

 

Yep you are right, I totally meant include Al Quaeda this whole time..see how one bad group that goes rogue makes it bad for all others of the same religion ?

Yes you are right, AlQuaeda bombed the world trade center, and the Taliban are using children as suicide bombers...excuse me, I failed to differentiate between the two groups of killers since we are fighting both of them, and they both claim to be fighting in the name of Allah. That was wrong of me.

I don't know what you think you know about me from forum posts, since we have never met, and I don't get emotional...just having a discussion.
I am sorry that you think American's have a small mentality, and you have such disgust for us...I hope your country never needs us or any of our allies or technology for anything...Oh wait a minute, You Do !
It's a good thing everyone in your country doesn't share your narrow minded opinion of people who have just contributed $100 million of tax dollars (out of our pockets) into your infrastructure

U.S. Provides $100 Million in Bridge Supplemental Assistance to Jordan for FY-09

Along with $2million in heavy machinery to help you build roads.

Not to mention the $700 million dollars in debt relief since the Gulf War, $200 million in military assistance, and the 48% increase in over all aid to your country since Obama took office...yeah we are petty, narrow minded people here in the U.S., but I guess that's just American propaganda as well.

I guess it's a good thing the we don't have as much spite for your country as you seem to have for us. Our economy is in repair just like the rest of the world, yet we still see fit to funnel a few Hundred Million to Jordan to help out, and keep our word as allies, and economic partners.

How dare we ?

I think you should write your government and tell them to give all the aid of the last 55 years back to us because your country is too proud to accept money from the arrogant infidels in America.

 

Al-Qaeda are involved in 9/11 but this involvement does not mean they bombed trade center, most likely 9/11 was insider job to be used as an excuse to launch wars for oil, and for protecting drugs trade, and this was the key problem when U.S. started to threat Afghanistan with invasion, Taliban then asked for a clear proof before they hand OBL to trial, it was U.S. who failed and still failing to provide this proof that connects Al-Qaeda with 9/11.

as for the aid for my country, I hope you know that this aid to Jordan, and others is not free, it is used to buy positions or silence sometimes, several times on these forums I talked about U.S. aid to Jordan, and that it should stop immediately, it is not about pride, or being unappreciative, but more about trying to be independent politically from others especially if these others are involved in crimes against humanity, and terrorism, by not allowing them to have any influence in Jordan's decision making.

if U.S. is so sure about their good intentions, they will not need money to buy allies, I think you should write your government and tell them to stop giving this money to us.

additionally, I believe that there are American people who needs it more than Jordanians right now, I am with keeping any nation's wealth for its own people when they are in much need for it.

 

Here we go with the "American's killed their own people" conspiracy theory again. If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

I will submit that the current invasion into Iraq was not wholly supported by the American people...actually many of us are still pissed off about it. I know I am. I wasn't thought out carefully and it was on bad intelligence, but, Saddam was a bastard, he did gas and torture his own people, thousands disappeared under his rule, and he paid suicide bombers families. He was the worst of hypocrites hiding behind religion...palaces full of American liquor and bank accounts and safe houses full of American Dollars. He was a joke, and definitely a harsh dictator.

Welcome to the real world. It has been like that for thousands of years...one hand washes the other. That's how allies are made. In many countries that's how marriages are made
It's not far off from the board game.

You either wage war and take it over, or give them something they need to get cooperation.
I don't think that will ever change. I am not against aid to other country's, I actually support it, but no sense in giving aid to people who hate or want to kill us, let them starve.

I once gave a homeless guy on the street a dollar...he asked me for a $5. I told him no, and he cursed me saying that I have so much ( never seen this guy before) and I was a selfish arrogant "MF". I told him to get off his lazy ass and stop begging, clean himself up and get a job. We got into a fight, and I hit the guy.
That's not the way it was supposed to go.

Sometimes I think foreign affairs and politics goes the same way.

 

You choose to believe the official conspiracy theory, others choose to believe some other conspiracy theories, and some want to know more, to have their questions answered, and to know what really happened, when the CIA is accused of misleading the congress, about this file, and other important files, then it would make much sense, to ask for what really happened.

What makes the invasion of Iraq different from the invasion of Afghanistan is the set of lies and propaganda used in each case that you choose to believe, when they are actually the same one case, if we are to invade a country because it's president is seen as a bastard by some, then there will be no country with a president.

we are still in the same point, you are demanding indirectly that all believe the BS spread by U.S. about Iraq and Afghanistan, nothing convincing so far.

 

Contrary to popular belief elsewhere in the world, we are not Kool-Aid drinking drones in America. Our freedoms give us the right to ask questions and get to the bottom of situations that we deem questionable, and we do it all the time.

Questions and hearings on the Iraq invasion are not done yet, as with other policies of our Government . We are constantly holding our leaders accountable for their actions. It's probably the most transparent government anywhere in the world, as in most places the Government just say's "That's the way it is" and you dare not question it.

However, everything that goes on in any Government is not for the people to know, and the Government is trusted to do what is in the best interest of the people, and we elect our leaders to do that job all the way down to the smallest municipalities....and I should add that when we are not happy with what they have done , we oust them, and their friends.

The biggest different in Iraq (in my opinion) is that we owed them. We promised them a long time ago that if they stood up to their dictator we would help them, and we didn't.

You see my friend, America is one of the few countries that has citizens from every nation in the world..while you may only see it from your area in a country that is predominately Jordanian, we are not predominately anything anymore, we are everything and everybody...., you don't see the Iraqi Americans that go to Capitol Hill begging for US intervention because they haven't heard from thousands of family members in years....or the Muslim communities in our country that displayed "Death to Saddam" in their store fronts...you only see one side of it.

We have millions of Iraqi's right here, along with Jordanians, Iranians, Korean's, Russians, and people from every other nation in the world..so we are getting the story first hand from people that lived it.

I have gotten the story first hand...I grew up in an area with the largest population of Muslims, Iraqi's and Iranians outside of the middle east, and were friends with many...so if it is all propaganda then one would have to say that these people left their countries for no reason, to come over to the U.S. and lie.

No Government is perfect, what I am saying, and make sure you get this right, I support my Country and my Government overall no matter what when it comes to the security of our nation...most American's see it one way, they have been killing us for years abroad, and they have made it clear that they will take every opportunity to kill us in the future..so all bets are off...we don't care how it get's done. War against individual American's (most of whom never even heard of the Taliban or Al Quaeda before they started blowing up American's), has been declared, we support every tactic to end it. And we will.