If you will see darkness then you will see something. People cant imagine nothing. There is no peace of mind after death since there is nothing. btw I am an atheist too.
I can see and comprehend nothing. The lack of sight is perceived as darkness, since there is no input. Because there is not input - you are seeing nothingness. The concept of nothing can be comprehended.
Not true. We cannot experience "nothing" because it doesn't truly exist to us; it's merely a concept, and a loose one at that. If it is nothing we have never perceived it in the first place. An idea of something that isn't real is just that, a tangible idea, it's not nothing. Being run out of existence is nothing. We can never understand it because we will never make it that far. To begin, my beliefs do not say that I will simply cease to exist, however, if that was the case we would never know. All would be over. No sensation, no thought, no perception of anything. One cannot grasp it. Regards, Dennis M.
I seem to be doing just fine at grasping the concept of absolute zilch. Who are you to tell me I am wrong anyways? You're not me, you do not know my mind, you do not have telepathic powers - thus even your analysis of my simple explanation is invalid, as you are attributing your own reality to my own. I am my own reality, I am my own mind, and I know nothingness. No - it cannot be explained via words, or imagery, or thoughts, because there are none, but nothingness can be grasped and comprehended if you contemplate. For you to tell me I am wrong, is for you to tell me I am right. You're not in my mind, you're not in my thoughts, and your reality, as far as I am concerned, is not my own.
Who are you to tell others they are wrong who say they cannot grasp it (above before my post)? I apologize to have come off like one his is "telling" you about your mind. I don't claim to know everything, nor do I try to infringe your beliefs or offend you for that matter. I only try to explain my point of view. Nothing is an idea therefore it is something. You cannot truly experience our idea of nothing because there is absolute dysfunction of everything. Obviously it cannot be explained in imagery, but if you're "experiencing" nothing, you must be dead (if those are your beliefs which do not coincide with mine). Regards, Dennis M.
Nothing is an idea, but to behold nothingness there is no idea, nor thought, nor concept. I have and I will continue to have meditations that lead to the absolute absence of everything - there is no feeling, no thought, no comprehension, nothing. But I have experienced it, and thus, I can know the surrounding descriptions of the void. Like a singularity that emits no light, you can only describe the moments up to it, and then after - but never the singularity even if you have experienced it. One does not need to be dead to reach nothingness, it is a total loss of all senses, a total loss of all, and through that when you come out of it, it is a feeling of revelation at how easy it is for humans to blip out into nothingness at tens of thousands per day. All I needed was a dark room, lack of all sound, and to concentrate on not concentrating until it happened. When I emerged an entire three hours had passed like a warp - instantly, but I had not slept. I had no feeling, no thought, nothing. To come out of that is to know the surroundings of something well enough to "know" the central aspect which you are grasping.
Exactly. This is what most people experience when they "sleep." Your claim to have not slept to experience nothing cannot logically be supported on basis that to experience "nothing" you must later have consciousness. <-- That is to say nothingness does, indeed, exist; but cannot be experienced until consciousness is acknowledged. To say anything to the contrary is illusory IMO. Indeed religion has played a major role in oppression within the world. But the topic at hand is whether or not God exists, not if religion sucks or is, in some way, morally questionable. God and Religion are two completely different things. To say that the practice of something precedes it's origin of intent also smells like complete shit.
You asked us why we argue against the existence of god and i told you why, don't pretend you didn't now you have been given an answer you find it difficult to argue against. In way they are different. But it doesn't take much imagination for someone to go from the belief that a magical invisible man exists to the assumption that he wants us to do certain things like oppress our wives in a specific way, mutilate our children's genitals and not eat certain food on certain days, you know, perfectly reasonable things like that. A belief in the former inherently leads to an assumption of the latter, So while they are "different" they aren't entirely independent entities.
I believe in God. -Because the complexity of universe can not be made by nothing or coincidence. a needle has a master and, a cloth has a tailor. so the universe must have a master,too. -If doesnt exist, i am not gonna lose anything after dye. 70 year/eternity=nothing. (also believing to God makes people more peaceful) But if exist, the person who does not believe is gonna lose everthing forever. I am saying this not to cheat yourself, just reliaise the importance of issue, and research more, becasue you could be missing sth which is so important for yourself. regards...
"a needle has a master and, a cloth has a tailor. so the universe must have a master,too." A mouse takes a crap, a horse takes a crap, therefore the universe must take craps too.
I'm not religious. but that does not mean I am an atheist nor agnostic. I believe in God all the way baby yeah The analogy here is like the barber. a person who does not believe in barbers say "if there really is a barber, then why aren't all the people get haircuts?". the answer is simple: come to the barber himself and he'll be glad to cut your hair.
So are you saying god is bald? If god doesn't exist you lose everything because 70 years/70 years=everything and you just wasted your life.
What exactly doesn't make sense to you? What makes you think that 'Because the complexity of universe can not be made by nothing or coincidence'? Scientific proof is overwhelming for a lot of things. You lost all of the time that you spend praying. You lost all of the time that you spent having hatred for other groups (such as homosexuals) because of what you thought was god's word. You could have spent that time helping people (like Jesus would have wanted you to?)
It makes common sense to believe that order cannot arise from chaos. Im still trying to create my donkey out of throwing leaves randomly into the air but so far no luck
So its more common sense to have an invisible friend in the sky? You do realize if you had any other invisible friends you would have to go to see the shrink, they would involuntarily commit you. The belief in God is just that, nothing more than a belief. Looking at science, it is backed up by articulateable facts (I think Ijust made up a word lol). There are theories, but, they are also backed up by facts. Whereas with this god character, it is backed up by a book, written in the bronze ages, by man. Yes. That makes sense. Lets worship an invisible friend because a bronze age fairy tale tells us to.
Lonestar we dont even have to talk about a so called invisible friend. Forget about all books and all different religions. Im asking you as one logical thinking person to another. Do you really believe that this universe(with all of its laws) could have been created through random chance? What is really the biggest fairy tale of all time is believing that order can arise from choas. The hillarious part of all this is, no atheist can prove that something can come from nothing, and yet they keep calling the bible a bunch of fairy tales. What do u call chaos into order? A logical way of thinking?
Do you know what they're saying now? They believe that black holes create galaxy's. I find it easier to believe that the universe was created by a big bang than an invisible man in the sky. What I find hilarious is that religious people can't prove that their little friend exists other than man made stories.
Where is the "order" in being a destined to die organism living on a barely hospitable planet orbiting a dying star in a universe which will either expand to the point where all energy is practically nonexistent or collapse in on it's self? If you look at it, realisticly and honestly, everything is being reduced to chaos. The delusion is believing this could be "designed". some fucking design that is! unless you want us to believe your god is an incompetent imbecile the universe shows no signs of being designed and all the signs of being the result of a natural process. But then, all you are doing now is looking for excuses to believe in fairy stories, not reasons.