S. Carolina Gov Takes Missing in Action to get some tail. Should he step down ?

Excuse, me, but they didn't call for Clinton to resign because of an unimportant and inconsequential affair. And, I'm guessing, Zibblu, that you feel that Clinton's attempted rape of an Arkansas woman should be ignored?

And it didn't help things when he spoke to the American people and gave what is probably the most famous lie in American politics: "I did not have sex with that woman". He then coldly tossed Lewinsky aside like a used tissue.

Clinton was called on to resign because he perjured himself, coerced and bribed witnesses, and violated his National Security oath. Among other things.

THAT is why Bill Clinton was called on to resign.

BTW, Zibblu, don't you know that it's only a sex "scandal" if you get caught??? And it's a fiasco if you parade your cancer-stricken wife in front of the media while simultaneously cheating on her - that's just EVIL, Mr. Edwards.

 

I like watching the ultra extreme very radical Far Far Right Wing argue their case:

In the eyes of the ultra extreme far far right wing, the following goes:

Mark Sanford--not a problem
Senator Ensign--not a problem
David Vitter--not a problem
Mark Foley--not a problem
Senator Craig--not a problem

just to name a few. They never acknowledge anything wrong by any of these guys.

Bill Clinton...world's worst philanderer--Btw: One of the guys hard after getting Clinto impeached was Newt Gingrich...MULTIPLE AFFAIRS while being married more than once--Cripes he walked out on one wife while she was in the hospital.

Now, Hmansfeld acknowledged, Clinton was a dirt bag. I agree. It was wrong.

Actually a lot of members of the GOP have problems with the above mentioned morally questionable actions by members of the GOP.

It is the ultra extreme, far right, extreme minority of the party that can acknowledge anything wrong by anyone with the letters GOP attached to their name.

The bigger problem for the GOP going forward is that the party EMBRACES these people, (the ultra far right minority extremists). They call them ......"the base".

Meanwhile these extremists drive people with even half a sense of decency out of the GOP.

I think Sanford should resign. He sneaked out of the state. He lied to his staff and security details. He went AWOL. He used state money in part to do all this.

Of course he was blatently cheating on his wife, even as he preaches the morality code.

In the private world....walking out like that without any notice to anyone--instant grounds for firing.

BTW: Ensign--had an affair (while he was married of course) with a subordinate.

In the private world--instant grounds for firing. Otherwise the business is an easy target for every sexual abuse suit in the world.

Instant firing. No questions asked.

The far right, minority extremists don't see ANYTHING wrong with these actions at all.

And the party embraces them.

LOL--> big problems for the GOP. (as far as the majority of Americans are concerned.)

BTW: Hmansfeld: I agree with you on Sara Palin. She talks the moral talk...She walked the walk on having a baby recently.

OTH, she totally bs'ed the entire population on her teenage daughter having unwed sex, (yeah right--a marriage was in the works)

But big deal. Its only the far right, ultra extremist small (but loud mouthed) Extremists who don't see this as a problem.

btw: not only was Clinton a dirt ball, but I'm glad Spitzer resigned. Another preachy Pol (dem).

 

Exactly. Instant termination for walking out without permission and leaving for a couple of days.
In the real world, you can't just show back up at the office and sit at your desk.

...and you guys act like Clinton was the first to be immoral, and lie. He is not the mold that you keep comparing everything to...13 years ago, besides, my position has always been that Kenneth Star had no right to ask questions of that nature during an unrelated investigation...it was a carefully engineered tactic and that is where my disgust lies.
Not giving Clinton a pass, but the dishonest treachery of how they pressed the issue is what kept me on Clinton's side.

I still think it's hilarious that you can bring up 30 republican cheats, liars and adulterers in the last 2 years alone, and reps will just continue to bring up Clinton from 15 years ago... 30 times!

Q: "What about Sanford?"
A "What about Clinton?"
Q:"What about Gingrich?"
A: "What about Clinton?"
Q: "What about Giuliani?"
A: "Well...what about Clinton?"

It's a real hoot

The founding fathers had illegitimate children with slaves and servants,. J. Edgar Hoover had a gay lover (second in command of the FBI) and was only able to stay director of the FBI because he had so many files with dirty secrets on everyone else that people dared not cross him for fear that he may know something, Nixon bugged everyone and ordered a robbery to seize documents, Kennedy had several mistresses..and it goes on to President's rumored to be in the Klan, marrying ex-hookers, financing wars with 3rd party arms and drug sales...public office has a lot of temptations and accesses. Before the age of hand held video , and instant communication..I am sure that politicians got away with a hell of a lot more.

And yes, even though it may be an old law, in some states it is still illegal to commit adultery, but the cheating isn't the issue...it's the two faced morality preaching while doing it that makes them look stupid...some of them are just extreme arrogant elitist including soliciting teen boys and sex in men's rooms...I mean c'mon.

But as far as Sanford goes, he is not working his own business where he can just leave the country anytime he wants, he works for the people and if he was anywhere else he would be fired for pulling that crap...how dare he think he had the right to do it...and on the tax payer dime...I mean the state legislature is only in session about 8 months out of the year...he had plenty of vacation time to use...he could have swung his d*ck half way around the world in all the time they have off, and still be back in time for the fall session.

 

-and this is the heart of it for me as well, Hmansfield. Esp. since those most fiery in their zeal in this way would commit laws in service of such a worldview, while secretly living the life of hypocritical Riley, one does get testy. To take only Sanford's example, while working hard to push a Christian legislative agenda while a legislator, he was working his tail off, or another's tail off, to say to hell with that. By way of example, bottom line, isn't it kind of obvious, that those on the front lines of zealotry in the "Defense of Marriage Act" have some serious balls to preach such a federal jurisdiction, while doing everything in their power to destroy the very marriages at the center of their lives?

We all have failings. I think it is the smugness of the extreme, religious right in seeking to impose a particular brand of morality on others that is very, very wrong, and very bad for our polity.

 

I Couldn't have said it better (as long winded as I am). It seems that those that wish to legislate morality for the rest of us, turn out to be the most immoral.

 

Ya think?

Not all revisionists completely make shit up... Some just leave out important details... Either way, its still a typical tactic of those hell bent on forging a new reality to fit their whacko agenda.

 

Yeah that's me, Mr. Whacko...none of those people are wrong, or hypocrites, and I have no reason to be disgusted by them...I'm just making crap up to fit my own agenda, which I don't even know what that could be...I don't hold public office, I am in no position to pass legislation, I am not an influential public figure, and I don't own a news outlet.

Could it be that these are just my opinions ? Hmnn...

I make no bones about it, I am the first to kick an arrogant man when he's down for all the judgment he has passed to make others lives miserable, he deserves the kicking.

 

According to the New York Daily News, John Edwards has a sex tape.

 

(keeping track)

2 small minority deep right wing extremists made comments. Neither acknowledged anything wrong by any GOP politician as mentioned above:

Ensign, Foley, Sanford, etc etc etc.

(2 extremist posts--0 mention of anything wrong)--(might have to call this the dingbat watch)

 

I hope you are not including me - I'm openly and proudly a moderate extremist!

BTW, how do you determine if anyone is a "right wing extremist" or a "left wing extremist"? I'm just curious to know that you aren't just engaging in desperate name-calling. In my opinion, the first person to call someone an extremist, IS the extremist (because they think in terms of the extreme, right?)

 

Q: "What about Sanford?"
A "What about Clinton? He cheated on his wife and was accused of rape. To cover it up, he committed multiple counts of Willful Perjury, encouraged others to perjure themselves in a sworn affidavit, supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, admitted to witness tampering, attempted to "bribe" a witness with a job, and encouraged his attorney to lie (even after his attorney confessed)?"
Q:"What about Gingrich?"
A: "What about Clinton? He cheated on his wife and was accused of rape. To cover it up, he committed multiple counts of Willful Purjury, encouraged others to purjure themselves in a sworn affidavit, supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, admitted to witness tampering, attempted to "bribe" a witness with a job, and encouraged his attorney to lie (even after his attorney confessed)?"
Q: "What about Giuliani?"
A: "Well...what about Clinton? He cheated on his wife and was accused of rape. To cover it up, he committed multiple counts of Willful Perjury, encouraged others to perjure themselves in a sworn affidavit, supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, admitted to witness tampering, attempted to "bribe" a witness with a job, and encouraged his attorney to lie (even after his attorney confessed)?"

I thought Clinton was a decent President. But he was a lousy liar.

 

keeping track

current tally--4 total comments from the right since the tally was started. Not a smidgeon of acknowledgement that any of the above referenced members of the GOP political wing did anything wrong at any time.

(and one wonders why the GOP is shrinking)

 

The difference was that with Clinton, it was never about the sex. (yes blowjobs are sex) It was the fact that he lied under oath. A crime if committed by you or me, that would land us in jail.

Sanford, came clean when confronted.

 

current tally 5

keep it up. A great example of how the extreme right wing can't ever admit a mistake.

 

Another filthy politician. This is why you do not ever trust politicians. A lot of them have been caught in scandals, and that's just the ones that were CAUGHT. Imagine all the corruption that goes on under the radar of the public.

I can usually tell who the slimeballs are. Some people suggested Sanford should run for president awhile back to represent us, I knew just by watching a short clip of him that he was out of touch with the people, above the law like the rest of the crooks.

My solution to the problem would be simple really, if I had any say in the matter. To be elected as any political official, you should first have to go through a rite of passage. 5 angry pissed off taxpayers beat the candidate with a sock full of rocks for awhile until a judge sees fit that he understands who he is serving.

When scandals happen, back to the whipping station. These slimy fucks are not above us, they represent us, don't look up to them, they oughtta look up to us. We work to pay for their living, FACT.

 

Don't forget the democrat list

The Breck Girl -John Edwards
The Banking Queen-Barney frank
Slick Willie-Bill Clinton
Splash-Ted Kennedy
John Kennedy
Etc........ LOL

 

@Pittbull:

no question in this forum, while I like to see myself as in the middle, due to an incredible volume of loudness from the far right, I often take the left side of an argument.

As to your comments,

John Edwards--scum bag, no doubt.
Barney Frank--obviously and admittedly gay. And he did (maybe still) has gotten money from the fannie mae team. What the far right always ignores is that the GOP got loads of money from the business people who regularly enacted in fraud, including some of the notorious bankers who led the financial institutions, that flooded this nation w/cr@ppy @ss mortgages that led to this financial debacle.

Clinton--Obviously a scum bag when it comes to sexual activities
Ted Kennedy- Gee that was a long time ago. But--in light of current events, I saw someone comment about Michael Jackson, referencing that he was a pervert that abused little boys and paid off the families to escape prosecution I got this feeling that back in the 1970's when Kennedy went over the bridge w/ that girl and she died....he probably paid off the families. (probably something like that)

Jack Kennedy--jeez- yeah...he prolly/lets say deffo screwed around on his wife. You are digging deep into history. So did Jefferson. In fact Eisenhower had an affair w/ his secretary while in charge of the European theater in WWII.

Be current.

Best I can see is you now make 6 representatives of the Far Right that cannot come to terms with the fact that pols on your side are and can be huge lying scum bags.

The far right NEVER takes responsibility for any actions on their behalf. Its pitiful.

Maybe that is why the republican party has shrunk in size to historic lows relative to the last 20-30 years. Fascinating...that which is declared the base of the party....(the extreme minority ultra radical right) has essentially driven out about 25-35% of the people who used to align themselves with republicans.

Okay: current tally on how many posts does it take for a far right radical extremist defender of the most outrageous things ever done by a member of the GOP to fess up and admit they suck.....

6 posts (since the tally began) and none can step up to the plate.

 

Now that I need to gently disagree with.

When caught in a scandal, Republicans used to resign more often than the Dems. Almost always, the Dems needed to be dragged, kicking and screaming, from office.

That's changed. Now, regardless of party, a politician caught in a scandal will hold onto to power like a tick on a dog.

To you Dems - Just think about how different things might have been if President Clinton had resigned during his impeachment. Al Gore would have been President, and as incumbent he would have stood a better chance of winning the 2000 election, & because he took office with less than 2ys left in Clinton's term he would have been qualified to run also in 2004... all you Dems, put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

If Bill Clinton had resigned, you never would have had President G.W. Bush. Think about that the next time a Democratic Congressman from Louisiana gets caught with $90,000 in his freezer wrapped in aluminum foil and hidden in boxes of Pillsbury pie crust - and is also caught on videotape receiving a suitcase filled with $100,000.

 

thank you corwin.

That is now 7 straight posts in which a representative of the far extreme, increasingly minority, radical Right, once again can't come to terms with the misadventures of GOP politicians and cannot acknowledge a wrongdoing.

Lets see, Sanford deserted his position, AWOL in the military...grounds for immediate firing in private life....radical base extremists right wingers don't think there is anything wrong with it.

Ensign. Had sex with a married employee...then later fired both the woman and her husband.

In private life that would be grounds for immediate sexual harrassment lawsuits against the business and grounds for immediate firing.

Members of the extremist right wing radical GOP again don't think there is anything wrong with it.

Both guys were loud members of the Moral Values Religeous Right, telling the rest of us to uphold our family values.

Both guys cheated on their wives.

Members of the radical extremist right wing don't see anything wrong with it.

Its no wonder the GOP keeps shrinking day by day.

 

It was the line questioning under oath about the affair that made me cringe. It's not OK to get to the truth if you have to lie, and cheat to get it. Clinton was wrong, but using a wrong to find it, doesn't make it OK.

Yeah, they're all idiots, no question. The difference is, that Dems don't ride high on a platform of trying to preach and legislate morality for everyone in the country, so it doesn't look as stupid. Still wrong, but it doesn't fly in direct conflict with their core platform.
Most Dems are "live and let live" and what's going to be in the best interest of ALL the people, equally, not just a minority few.

If I preach against drinking, yet get drunk every night, I'm a hypocritical idiot...however, if I stand for eco -friendly cars, and get caught getting drunk, no conflict on the platform that I run on, I'm just an idiot.

I am against any MAN that claims to hold the moral high ground enough to make law that is supposedly in the best interest of everyone. You can't legislate morality for a country of differing beliefs, values, and religions. We have the right to believe or not believe and when you attempt to turn personal of religious beliefs into law, you are a dangerous person to the foundation of this country.

The original documents that are the foundation of this country are based on a belief in God, true enough, but, they also saw fit to make sure that it included belief in any God you chose, or don't chose.

Just because one person, out of 350 million has thousands that think like him, doesn't give him the right to impose that morality on the rest of us. Even if I believe the same way, I don't have any right to force my neighbors to follow that belief.

That quest for freedom is how we got here in the first place, now 200 years later, some want to go back rewrite that freedom?

I don't think so. If the moral legislation is not up to your standards, there are plenty of places in the world to live where religion dictates the law.